Obelix Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 All of which suggests that the two officers who fired might have been doing what they thought best, but the series of events that lead to an innocent mans death should have seen the prosecution of the superiors for gross incompetence. I wonder if corporate manslaughter could have fitted. The thing about an unlawful killing verdict is that it doesn't mean he was murdered by anyone. That was done away with after Sandra rivett was held by a coroners jury to have murdered by Lord Lucan. As I recall the passengers on the Herald of Free Enterprise were considered to have been unlawfully killed. In this case I'd suggest that perhaps the officers at the sharp end may or may not have been at fault - what is certain in my mind is that de Menezes was unlawfully killed by the Metropolitan Police as a corporate entity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 The police were under cover so will not have had police written all over them but I agree with the point still you would be able to tell the difference. And If they was pointing a gun at you, I would probably stop especially somewhere like a tube station where you have no where to go If someone pointed a weapon at me and I was close enough I'd clock them. Otherwise I'd not wait to be shot - I'd be moving - fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthenekred Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 The police were under cover so will not have had police written all over them but I agree with the point still you would be able to tell the difference. And If they was pointing a gun at you, I would probably stop especially somewhere like a tube station where you have no where to go Or not follow a suspected bomber into a tube crowded with people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattyhill Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 If someone pointed a weapon at me and I was close enough I'd clock them. Otherwise I'd not wait to be shot - I'd be moving - fast. Well you would probably get shot for running, do you think you can outrun a bullet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattyhill Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 you would do the sensible thing and stop if you have any sense, But again even though I am agreeing with what the police did, The statement about him making a run for it turned out to be false didn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattyhill Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 or is this just a lie from people on the other side of the story saying he was not running, I would not rule that possibility out totally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Well you would probably get shot for running, do you think you can outrun a bullet? No but I know how inaccurate a pistol can be and hitting a moving target is a lot harder than hitting a stationary one. The first though you do if someone points a barrel at you is move off to the side, fast and unexpectedly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 or is this just a lie from people on the other side of the story saying he was not running, I would not rule that possibility out totally. I suppose the CCTV was fabricated as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattyhill Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 I suppose the CCTV was fabricated as well? I read though there was missing CCTV footage from the time of this incident? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattyhill Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 The people who witnessed the event are "the other side" are they? Give me your address, I will bring round a roll of tin foil for you. some witnesses said he was running while carrying a back pack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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