boyfriday Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Yes, I'm sure they'd put out an APB on two clowns... How would removing anyone's face covering help identify them if they'd committed a crime whilst their face was covered? You seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that someone planning to rob a bank would wear their Niquab or clown mask from the time they walk out of their front door. They're already planning to break the law, don't you think that they might stick the disguise on just before they walk into the bank... The fact that it would be illegal is hardly going to deter them, and everyone is going to notice that they're robbing the bank very shortly anyway when they demand money! You're just being ridiculous. :hihi: I think the OP must be under the impression that disguises are welded to the bodies of criminals who choose to wear them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyfriday Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 BF. If it was reported to police that two men wearing green wigs, red noses and baggy trousers and braces were robbing the high street bank, they'd no doubt be searching for, and making inquiries on two men fitting that description. If it was reported that the two individuals were wearing Niqabs, what are the police to do?.. demand that all Muslim women in the local vicinity that have their faces concealed remove their niqabs and empty out their handbags? Cyclone answered that one. Such as what? What other available options are there which could enable criminals to conceal their identities and commit crime without drawing any unwanted attention from fellow members of the public, and prevent them from giving a detailed description of suspects. Stocking masks, motorcyle helmets, moustaches, beards, sunglasses, contact lenses, wigs, fake accents or any combination of the above. What about the loss of revenue from the pub and nightclub establishments by arresting and jailing pimps and drug dealers that attract business. Should revenue be given priority here also? No, I don't think I was advocating the support of criminal activity because it generates revenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyfriday Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Bank robbery isn't the only crime that can be committed wearing a motorcycle helmet. It could just as easily be purse snatching, indecent assault, or murder. But where a male motorcyclists would be easily identified due to his stature and clothing, a Niqab wearer would prove more difficult since the niqab is designed to hide the contour of the body also, making it increasingly difficult to rule out the possibility that is could be a man wearing it. A burka wearer would also have all on running away to escape the hordes of onlookers who had witnessed the purse snatch/murder/indecent assault Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Bank robbery isn't the only crime that can be committed wearing a motorcycle helmet. It could just as easily be purse snatching, indecent assault, or murder. But where a male motorcyclists would be easily identified due to his stature and clothing, a Niqab wearer would prove more difficult since the niqab is designed to hide the contour of the body also, making it increasingly difficult to rule out the possibility that is could be a man wearing it. So you want to outlaw baggy clothing as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danot Posted September 9, 2011 Author Share Posted September 9, 2011 Yes, I'm sure they'd put out an APB on two clowns...If that's the description they were given they'd have to. Posted by Cyclone How would removing anyone's face covering help identify them if they'd committed a crime whilst their face was covered? I doubt You'd even ask that if goggle jackets were in question, I suspect you'd simply expect the police to approach anyone found wearing a goggle jacket, kindly ask them to remove their hood while they question them in order to eliminate those who are unconnected to the robbery from their inquires once they've ran checks. This is routine police procedure when dealing with none religious face concealing head wear. Why shouldn't religious head gear be dealt with in the same way? Posted by Cyclone You seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that someone planning to rob a bank would wear their Niquab or clown mask from the time they walk out of their front door. They're already planning to break the law, don't you think that they might stick the disguise on just before they walk into the bank... And wave at every high street CCTV camera they pass? Rightyo!! Posted by Cyclone The fact that it would be illegal is hardly going to deter them, and everyone is going to notice that they're robbing the bank very shortly anyway when they demand money! You're just being ridiculous. Am I? Can you even imagine what would happen if the police ordered an innocent Muslim woman to remove her headdress because they wrongly suspected her of being an harmed robber wearing a Niqab? You know as well as I do that they'll avoid that happening at all costs. At all costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danot Posted September 9, 2011 Author Share Posted September 9, 2011 :hihi: I think the OP must be under the impression that disguises are welded to the bodies of criminals who choose to wear them. No I don't, I just know that a police officer would most definitely 'bottle out' of asking a Niqab wearing criminal to remove their headdress if there was 1% of uncertainty about it being an innocent Muslim woman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyfriday Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 No I don't, I just know that a police officer would most definitely 'bottle out' of asking a Niqab wearing criminal to remove their headdress if there was 1% of uncertainty about it being an innocent Muslim woman. *sigh* more speculation and conjecture. How do you "know"? Why don't you email South Yorkshire police and ask them about their policy for this remote eventuality? http://www.southyorks.police.uk/contactus I can't recall ever hearing of a crime committed locally where the assailant was wearing a burka. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halibut Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 No I don't, I just know that a police officer would most definitely 'bottle out' of asking a Niqab wearing criminal to remove their headdress if there was 1% of uncertainty about it being an innocent Muslim woman. No, you don't, you're just using your rather febrile imagination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danot Posted September 9, 2011 Author Share Posted September 9, 2011 Stocking masks, motorcyle helmets, moustaches, beards, sunglasses, contact lenses, wigs, fake accents or any combination of the above. All of which are classic form of disguise that are easily described by eye witnesses and easily detected by cctv, and without consequence to the police if someone unconnected to the crime complains about having to remove any of the above. The same can't be said about complaints made by innocent Niqab wearing muslim women. Posted by boyfriday No, I don't think I was advocating the support of criminal activity because it generates revenue. Whether you was or wasn't doesn't alter that the principle. You implied that the resulting loss of revenue from banning the Niqab is a reason enough to turn a blind eye and take no action on what I believe is presenting criminals and terrorists with a perfect opportunity to hide behind the religious significance of Islamic face concealing headdress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danot Posted September 9, 2011 Author Share Posted September 9, 2011 *sigh* more speculation and conjecture. How do you "know"? Why don't you email South Yorkshire police and ask them about their policy for this remote eventuality? http://www.southyorks.police.uk/contactus Not necessary. We all know that religion is a mine field that the police are terrified to walk through. As is the government. Posted by boyfriday I can't recall ever hearing of a crime committed locally where the assailant was wearing a burka. So what does that establish? That it's never happened, or that you've never heard reports of it happening? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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