Jeffrey Shaw Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 Just about any arrangement that gives 5 whole Sheffield seats is better than the 'official' one with cross-boundary seats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgharston Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Sorry but the Boundary Commission can only work with under the rules set for them by the Government, equally sized based on registered voters No, emphatically, NOT. It's registered ELECTORS, not voters. If it was equal number of voters, Brightside would get half an MP and Hallam would get 1 and a third. Equal sized by head of population would have been fair.Electorate is almost exactly a constant submultiple of the population, equal electorates is equal populations. The ratio between electorate and population in Sheffield ranges from about 1.47 to about 1.52. This particular change simply transfer the electoral bias from Labour (although it didn't exist in the 2010 election) to the Conservatives.Transfer from Labour to Conservative happens because people tend to migrate away from Labour areas into Conservative areas, requiring those Labour areas to be redraw bigger (resulting in fewer MPs) and requiring the Conservative areas to be redrawn smaller (resulting in more MPs). As an example, the old Manor ward had 13,000 electors in it in 1980. By 2004 it had fallen to 8,000, fallen so far that it had to be merged with Castle next door. It has fallen even more, so that even the merged Castle and Manor has only 8,000 electors. Manor and Castle will have to be merged with yet a third area to get it to have the required electorate. The old Brightside constituency as composed in 1983 had an electorate of about 65,000. By 2004 it had dropped to about 50,000. The area covered by the 1983 constituency now has an electorate of about 45,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biotechpete Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Central will remain Labour as the Lib-Dems were the close runner-up there last time and they've collapsed in the polls since 2010. The West and Stocksbridge one could be a 3 way split as it goes from Penistone down to Millhouses and contains Labour, Tory and Lib-Dem areas. There could be some tactical voting to get Clegg out if he stands. Doesn't central stand to lose the presumably Labour majority Manor and Arbourthorne areas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Doesn't central stand to lose the presumably Labour majority Manor and Arbourthorne areas? Arbourthorne used to be in Sheffield Heeley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeMaquis Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Doesn't central stand to lose the presumably Labour majority Manor and Arbourthorne areas? Central will be made up of Hillsborough, Burngreave, Central, Walkley and Broomhill wards. Last year 4 of those 5 wards returned Labour councillors including, I think, 3 gains from the Lib-Dems. The other was a Green. I can't see the Lib-Dems getting back to where they were in Central 2 years ago. In 2010 Central may have a returned a Lib-Dem MP with just those 5 wards but after 5 years of a coalition government I can't see the Lib-Dems winning Central in 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHJ21 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Just about any arrangement that gives 5 whole Sheffield seats is better than the 'official' one with cross-boundary seats. I do suggest that anyone who thinks this goes onto the Boundary Commission consultation website http://consultation.boundarycommissionforengland.independent.gov.uk/have-your-say/ and finds one of the three (that I know of - there may be more) submissions which have 5 whole Sheffield seats and comments on it. (You can find them by entering the reference numbers, which as already mentioned are 001704, 002920 and 023091.) Similarly, if you want to comment on names (e.g. if you prefer "interesting sounding names" to compass points), comment on submission 003312. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgharston Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Also, there's now an e-petition on the Council's website to ask them to support a model that has exactly five constituencies wholly within the city council boundaries: https://sheffield.moderngov.co.uk/mgEPetitionDisplay.aspx?id=78 We the undersigned petition the Council to : Respond to the Parliamentary Boundary Review 2013 consultation supporting a model that assigns a whole number of Parliamentary Constituencies entirely within the boundaries of Sheffield City Council (such as the Dr Jordon model - mdfs.net/per13). Sheffield's electorate is such that it can form exactly 5 new constituencies. The Boundary Review's initial model splits up Sheffield so three constituences overlap the City Council boundary. The Commission has put too much insistance on not splitting wards, ignoring the fact that just two wards need to be split and can be done carefully along community lines within those two wards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InSheffield Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Also, there's now an e-petition on the Council's website to ask them to support a model that has exactly five constituencies wholly within the city council boundaries: Surely they are already supporting that, with the proposal (number 023091) that you mentioned above? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgharston Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Surely they are already supporting that, with the proposal (number 023091) that you mentioned above?"You do not have permission to access this resource" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 I know it's not strictly Sheffield related but the biggest benefit to boundary changes is that nadine dorries will be without a constituency. Nice ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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