mj.scuba Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Got to disagree mate. This scumbag dragged a man to a hideous prolonged death for no reason, give me one good reason that having taken a life in such a manner that having his life ended in a very painless manner is wrong? Fully agree, a prime candidate for execuation and totally deserving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halibut Posted September 22, 2011 Author Share Posted September 22, 2011 Got to disagree mate. This scumbag dragged a man to a hideous prolonged death for no reason, give me one good reason that having taken a life in such a manner that having his life ended in a very painless manner is wrong? Because if we, as a society claim that killing is wrong, we shouldn't kill. Because if we continue to kill men like Brewer then we also continue to kill men like Davis who may not have been guilty and men like Willingham, who as sure as anyone reasonably can be, was innocent. If you disagree about Willingham, please, please read this - http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/01/opinion/01herbert.html It gives a shorter version than the original New York Times piece (linked to at several points throughout the thread) which runs to 17 pages. I read it this morning and was quite shaken. You're an intelligent man, I implore you to read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callippo Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 II can't be bothered to google it, but does anyone know the average time a person spends on death row before they're murdered executed? http://www.albany.edu/sourcebook/pdf/t600242009.pdf that shows you how much the number of months prisoners spend on death row has increased in the past 30 odd years (those executed now have spent an average of of 170 odd months on death row prior to their execution compared to about 70 in 1984), but it doesn't tell you how much it varies between states - which it will. capital punishment was only reinstated in the United States from 1976, therefore it stands to reason that at first, in the early 80s those few that were executed hadn't been on death row for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoesme Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 http://www.cracked.com/article_18628_the-6-most-misguided-causes-ever-made-famous-by-celebrities.html Sort of related, a good read anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Womerry2 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Got to disagree mate. This scumbag dragged a man to a hideous prolonged death for no reason, give me one good reason that having taken a life in such a manner that having his life ended in a very painless manner is wrong? I cannot see how it is. But the fact remains that Capital Punishment makes any restitution in cases of miscarriage of justice impossible. No system is infallible, and I think that even the smallest risk of death of an innocent person is too high a price to pay. By the same token, I accept that guilty criminals will be housed, fed, clothed and receive medical care at the expense of everybody else until they die of old age. It's not a happy thought, but it's still preferable to the alternative. The link has been made to the deaths of inocent people in acts of war. I think that is clouding the issue. War is nothing like a judicial process where we, the people, sit in judgment on those who have violated the laws of our society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchViz Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 I cannot see how it is. But the fact remains that Capital Punishment makes any restitution in cases of miscarriage of justice impossible. No system is infallible, and I think that even the smallest risk of death of an innocent person is too high a price to pay. By the same token, I accept that guilty criminals will be housed, fed, clothed and receive medical care at the expense of everybody else until they die of old age. It's not a happy thought, but it's still preferable to the alternative. The link has been made to the deaths of inocent people in acts of war. I think that is clouding the issue. War is nothing like a judicial process where we, the people, sit in judgment on those who have violated the laws of our society. I you're American I agree, ignore the UN. But that is another issue. I do agree with your view on capital punishment however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halibut Posted September 22, 2011 Author Share Posted September 22, 2011 I cannot see how it is. But the fact remains that Capital Punishment makes any restitution in cases of miscarriage of justice impossible. No system is infallible, and I think that even the smallest risk of death of an innocent person is too high a price to pay. By the same token, I accept that guilty criminals will be housed, fed, clothed and receive medical care at the expense of everybody else until they die of old age. It's not a happy thought, but it's still preferable to the alternative. Also, for money minded folk, it's actually a great deal more expensive to execute someone than keep them in jailfor life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ sheffield Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 I think you're morally bankrupt. I've known killers with more scruples. I've known two, who killed their children. You say that like its a badge of honour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ sheffield Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Also, for money minded folk, it's actually a great deal more expensive to execute someone than keep them in jailfor life. But we all know it could be made very cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ sheffield Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Fully agree, a prime candidate for execuation and totally deserving. Seconded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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