Halibut Posted September 22, 2011 Author Share Posted September 22, 2011 But we all know it could be made very cheap. With even more chance of killing innocents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ sheffield Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 I agree. For those pro-capital punishment people who argue that you don't want your hard earned money supporting criminals in prison, keeping this man on death row and the endless appeals must have cost far more than had he served a regular sentence. I can't be bothered to google it, but does anyone know the average time a person spends on death row before they're murdered executed? Exactly, he should have been executed years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halibut Posted September 22, 2011 Author Share Posted September 22, 2011 You say that like its a badge of honour. Compared to ANGELFIRE 1's couldn't care less attitude about innocents being put to death they were remarkably honourable people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ sheffield Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Compared to ANGELFIRE 1's couldn't care less attitude about innocents being put to death they were remarkably honourable people. Ok I just read back and I'll give you that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halibut Posted September 22, 2011 Author Share Posted September 22, 2011 Ok I just read back and I'll give you that. Ta - do us a favour AJ, read this and tell me if you think this guy should have been executed. Please. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/01/opinion/01herbert.html It'll only take you a few minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andygardener Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Because if we, as a society claim that killing is wrong, we shouldn't kill. Because if we continue to kill men like Brewer then we also continue to kill men like Davis who may not have been guilty and men like Willingham, who as sure as anyone reasonably can be, was innocent. If you disagree about Willingham, please, please read this - http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/01/opinion/01herbert.html It gives a shorter version than the original New York Times piece (linked to at several points throughout the thread) which runs to 17 pages. I read it this morning and was quite shaken. You're an intelligent man, I implore you to read it. I have now read it and it's a shocking inditement of the justice procedure for that particular individual. That does not for me change my view on the appropriateness of capital punishment under certain circumstances (premeditated murder/terrorism/attempted terrorism) I do think the US justice system is so flawed that it should not be allowed to administer capital punishment until such point as it is fit for purpose. I think we have to constantly work to ensure that nobody who is innocent spends a night locked up let alone executed,,ie the issue is justice, guilty punished and innocent left alone, not what punishment they get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ sheffield Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Ta - do us a favour AJ, read this and tell me if you think this guy should have been executed. Please. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/01/opinion/01herbert.html It'll only take you a few minutes. Uncomfortable reading indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleyman Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 That's scarcely relevant to this discussion is it? He shouldn't have been killed. What isn't relevent to the subject is the debate on the rights and wrong of the death penalty. The relevent question on this thread is "was Davis guilty or not" It's always the habit of death penalty abolition advocates to come up with the same old tune about the "innocence" factor. So my question to you is was he innocent or not in your opinion? Aside from the Pope, the rest of the world and all the other back seat drivers who have proclaimed him completely innocent without knowing anything about the trial or Davis until it hit the headlines that he had been executed what other information do you have to prove him innocent? If the stay of execution had been approved what further action would you have taken in this case? Not that it's completely relevent either to the case but Davis was a scumbag who with others was beating up on a homeless man when the murdererd policeman MacPhail rushed in to put a stop to it It always amazes me when I see all the crocodile tears being shed over someone like Davis yet not a word of compassion or sympathy for MacPhail's family. It almost seems like MacPhail or his family dont exist to all those who can only feel pity for the perpetrator. A mother and father lost a son, a wife her husband and the kids, a father and provider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleyman Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Another insightful and well thought out reply by the Peter Griffin of Sheffield Forum. As has been suggested to you, switch off Fox News and avoid Youtube, try and obtain a wide range of views and take off the star spangled blinkers. You know..... I dont like you at all. It would be highly appreciated if you would ignore me as I ignore you. You have no debating skills, bring nothing relevent to any discussion and only post personal reflections and insults. So get lost and go play with your child's basic learning alpahbet set Airhead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleyman Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 I cannot see how it is. But the fact remains that Capital Punishment makes any restitution in cases of miscarriage of justice impossible. No system is infallible, and I think that even the smallest risk of death of an innocent person is too high a price to pay. By the same token, I accept that guilty criminals will be housed, fed, clothed and receive medical care at the expense of everybody else until they die of old age. It's not a happy thought, but it's still preferable to the alternative. The link has been made to the deaths of inocent people in acts of war. I think that is clouding the issue. War is nothing like a judicial process where we, the people, sit in judgment on those who have violated the laws of our society. We the people vote for governments. Governments sometimes go to war. Men are lawfully sent to die with our blessing therefore. What's the difference morally between executing a murderer and sending X number of law abiding men off to be killed in battle. The end result is death in both cases. What justifies the argument for sparing a killer's life when no one bats an eyelid when soldiers come home in body bags? It's all crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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