Is there anyone left on here that defends this Government?

[Keith Rich]

Churchill back in 1909, before he left the Liberal Party and joined the conservatives. So if he believed what he said, things must have changed before he joined, thus your argument is completely scuppered by your own words. Either Churchill was a fraud or the conservative party where not the same years later when he joined them.

 

Which of the above do you believe Keith?

 

All this from the very same Churchill who said: “Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.”

 

In other words when Churchill attacks Socialism he's spot on, but when he attacks the Conservatives he's not.

 

Another nutty saying to add to the list on my other post. Cheers

[Conrod]

Housing Benefit has seen significant reductions for recipients.

As Wex says above, it was capped to stop the crazy situation of some people demanding larger houses in expensive areas at the tax payer's expense - houses that most honest working people would never be able to afford.

[Titanic99]

Housing benefit was capped to prevent greedy landlords and work shy families from living it up on huge houses while the rest of us scrimped and saved to afford a roof over our heads. The cap does not mean people will be thrown out of their homes. There is plenty of housing available below the limit.

 

Housing benefit in the UK was completely ****-eyed, some even received more money per month than their actual rent costs and so have a little windfall over others.

 

Are you saying the new housing benefit system is wrong and people should continue to be supported for years in their home and even be over paid for their rent?

 

I'm afraid that shows complete ignorance of the changes to the legislation.

 

Others you've not mentioned:

 

LHA values on the 30th percentile instead of 50th means significant reductions to a lot of claimants.

 

Shared rate of LHA to now include single 25-34 year olds.

 

Reductions for people living in Social Housing when they are deemed to have spare rooms.

 

Now if these changes aren't making the poor suffer for the errors of the rich, then what is it?

[Titanic99]

As Wex says above, it was capped to stop the crazy situation of some people demanding larger houses in expensive areas at the tax payer's expense - houses that most honest working people would never be able to afford.

 

Afraid you are showing your ignorance of the issue, check my earlier response.

[Mecky]

As Wex says above, it was capped to stop the crazy situation of some people demanding larger houses in expensive areas at the tax payer's expense - houses that most honest working people would never be able to afford.

 

I can't say I've ever heard of these types of scenario first hand, just the usual sensationalist BS you read in the daily wrags which are trying to influence peoples' opinions. Unfortunately sensationalist BS is what sells newspapers and that is so disappointing and it says a lot about today's society.

[Anna B]

Housing benefit was capped to prevent greedy landlords and work shy families from living it up on huge houses while the rest of us scrimped and saved to afford a roof over our heads. The cap does not mean people will be thrown out of their homes. There is plenty of housing available below the limit.

 

Housing benefit in the UK was completely ****-eyed, some even received more money per month than their actual rent costs and so have a little windfall over others.

 

Are you saying the new housing benefit system is wrong and people should continue to be supported for years in their home and even be over paid for their rent?

 

I wonder what percentage of claimants lived in these huge houses? Very few i'm betting, but you can bet each one got the full glare of publicity in the press, giving the impression that the practice was more widespread than it actually was.

 

What evidence have you that there's plenty of affordable housing available?

Not in my experience. And who get's more money for rent than the actual rent costs? I don't know of it happening to anyone.

 

With the state of things at the moment people have to be supported or they will become homeless, (homelessness is already rising rapidly.)

 

Is that what you want?

[alchresearch]

In other words when Churchill attacks Socialism he's spot on, but when he attacks the Conservatives he's not.

 

Another nutty saying to add to the list on my other post. Cheers

 

Maybe you should re-read wex's post. He was simply quoting both different views of Churchill, not advocating one over another.

 

The only "nutty saying" is yours for trying to put words in his mouth.

[Keith Rich]

Maybe you should re-read wex's post. He was simply quoting both different views of Churchill, not advocating one over another.

 

The only "nutty saying" is yours for trying to put words in his mouth.

 

Fair enough

[Titanic99]

Housing benefit was capped to prevent greedy landlords and work shy families from living it up on huge houses while the rest of us scrimped and saved to afford a roof over our heads. The cap does not mean people will be thrown out of their homes. There is plenty of housing available below the limit.

 

 

You are completely wrong, the Housing Benefit cap is a very clever political move as it gets people like yourself outraged when in reality it only affects a couple of hundred people.

 

Meanwhile millions are having thiers cut by£10-50 a week and no-one mentions this.

 

I give the wretched party credit for their tactics, I give no credit to anyone that defends the overall policies of making the poor pay for the mistakes of the rich bankers.

[I1L2T3]

You are completely wrong, the Housing Benefit cap is a very clever political move as it gets people like yourself outraged when in reality it only affects a couple of hundred people.

 

Meanwhile millions are having thiers cut by£10-50 a week and no-one mentions this.

 

I give the wretched party credit for their tactics, I give no credit to anyone that defends the overall policies of making the poor pay for the mistakes of the rich bankers.

 

Thanks for posting this. There's no better party than the Tories and their compliant media buddies at pushing the buttons of certain sections of Britian's indignant middle classes and wannabe middle classes. There's a set menu of buttons that elicit a 100% reliable unthinking Pavlovian response. I'd love to list the posters on here who I think get all their news from the Daily Mail and Daily Express but that would be rude. I can imagine them near choking on their Alpen every morning as they read about the latest antics of the workshy unemployed, immigrants or other bogey men that their favoured papers/politicians instruct them to be scared of.