Palestine statehood to be announced..

[Plain Talker]

That is a strange comment because in Islam's view there's Muslim (of Islam) and Infidels (everyone else).....yet in the real world there are many others....many many religions and ways of life and those causing no harm to others are all acceptable to all

 

If you aren't Muslim, how can you say what the Muslim thinks?

[hugh jarse]

If you aren't Muslim, how can you say what the Muslim thinks?

 

If you aren't a Jew or Christian, how can you say what the Jew or Christian thinks?

[Big time]

Israel didn't exist before 1948 how was it colonised by "muslims"?

 

"Palestine" hasn't existed - ever, in fact there wasn't any legal sovereign on the west bank, so how can Isreal "occupy" it? everyone needs to stop using the term "occupied territory"; it is disputed territory.

[hugh jarse]

Arab-Israel Conflict – Forgotten Facts!

 

The term “Palestinian” is itself a masterful twisting of history. To portray themselves as indigenous, Arab settlers adopted the name of an ancient Mediterranean tribe - “Philistines” (‘Invaders’ in Hebrew). They disappeared around 3000 years ago. The connection between this ancient tribe and modern day Arabs is nil.

In order to conceal their shame and anger with the rebellious regions of Judea and Samaria, the Romans changed their references to them by calling these regions “Palestine”. Consider these facts.

 

1. Nationhood and Jerusalem: Israel became a nation in the 14th century B.C.E. Two thousand years before the rise of Islam.

 

2. From 1272 B.C.E. the Jews held dominion over the land for up to 1,000 years and there has been a continuous Jewish presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.

 

3. The only Arab dominion since the Arab invasion and conquest in 635 C.E. lasted no more than 22 years.

 

4. King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to Jerusalem.

 

5. For over 3,000 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital. Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital and Arab leaders did not come to visit.

 

6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the Jewish Holy Scriptures. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran.

 

7. Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray facing Mecca (often with their backs toward Jerusalem).

 

8. In 1854, according to a report in the New York Tribune, Jews constituted two-thirds of the population of that Jerusalem. (The source: A journalist on assignment in the Middle East that year for the Tribune. His name was Karl Marx. Yes…that Karl Marx!)

 

9. In 1867, Mark Twain took a tour of Palestine. This is how he described that land: “A desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds. A silent, mournful expanse. We never saw a human.”

 

10. In 1882, official Ottoman Turk census figures showed that, in the entire Land of Israel, there were only 141,000 Muslims, both Arab and non-Arab.

 

11. A travel guide to Palestine and Syria was published in 1906 by Karl Baedeker. The book estimated the total population of Jerusalem at 60,000, of whom 7,000 were Muslims, 13,000 were Christians and 40,000 were Jews.

 

12. As the Jews came and drained the swamps and made the deserts bloom, Arabs followed. They came for jobs, for prosperity, for freedom. And, they came in large numbers.

[SnailyBoy]

"Palestine" hasn't existed - ever, in fact there wasn't any legal sovereign on the west bank, so how can Isreal "occupy" it? everyone needs to stop using the term "occupied territory"; it is disputed territory.

 

So the Six Day War was just a expedition that stumbled across the West Bank. Nothing to do with an occupation?

[SnailyBoy]

Arab-Israel Conflict – Forgotten Facts!

 

The term “Palestinian” is itself a masterful twisting of history. To portray themselves as indigenous, Arab settlers adopted the name of an ancient Mediterranean tribe - “Philistines” (‘Invaders’ in Hebrew). They disappeared around 3000 years ago. The connection between this ancient tribe and modern day Arabs is nil.

In order to conceal their shame and anger with the rebellious regions of Judea and Samaria, the Romans changed their references to them by calling these regions “Palestine”. Consider these facts.

 

1. Nationhood and Jerusalem: Israel became a nation in the 14th century B.C.E. Two thousand years before the rise of Islam.

 

2. From 1272 B.C.E. the Jews held dominion over the land for up to 1,000 years and there has been a continuous Jewish presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.

 

3. The only Arab dominion since the Arab invasion and conquest in 635 C.E. lasted no more than 22 years.

 

4. King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to Jerusalem.

 

5. For over 3,000 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital. Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital and Arab leaders did not come to visit.

 

6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the Jewish Holy Scriptures. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran.

 

7. Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray facing Mecca (often with their backs toward Jerusalem).

 

8. In 1854, according to a report in the New York Tribune, Jews constituted two-thirds of the population of that Jerusalem. (The source: A journalist on assignment in the Middle East that year for the Tribune. His name was Karl Marx. Yes…that Karl Marx!)

 

9. In 1867, Mark Twain took a tour of Palestine. This is how he described that land: “A desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds. A silent, mournful expanse. We never saw a human.”

 

10. In 1882, official Ottoman Turk census figures showed that, in the entire Land of Israel, there were only 141,000 Muslims, both Arab and non-Arab.

 

11. A travel guide to Palestine and Syria was published in 1906 by Karl Baedeker. The book estimated the total population of Jerusalem at 60,000, of whom 7,000 were Muslims, 13,000 were Christians and 40,000 were Jews.

 

12. As the Jews came and drained the swamps and made the deserts bloom, Arabs followed. They came for jobs, for prosperity, for freedom. And, they came in large numbers.

 

Lets see your source?

[hugh jarse]

any country declaring war on another that then loses miserably loses any claim to that land that they lose....that's life.. do you think Germany can demand Belgium back or any of their empire..NO...you go to war with Israel or any other country and lose.. then its not a childs play game...YOU LOOSE!

[SnailyBoy]

Would you believe it, it was written by Steven Shamrak who happens to be an Israeli. A pretty hardline one at that.

[andygardener]

So the Six Day War was just a expedition that stumbled across the West Bank. Nothing to do with an occupation?

 

To be fair the six day war was a war of extermination against the jewish people. The only reason it's not up there with the holocaust is that the jews were nails and the arabs fought like little girls.

 

My take on the whole thing is whatever territory israel took in that war is theirs, as long as they give the people in that territory the vote in the knesset.

 

Which they haven't, which is why Israel is in the wrong on this issue. You can have the land and the people, or you can lose the land and the people, but you can't keep the land and not give the people the vote and remain democratic.

 

Decision on this issue is long overdue.

[SnailyBoy]

any country declaring war on another that then loses miserably loses any claim to that land that they lose....that's life.. do you think Germany can demand Belgium back or any of their empire..NO...you go to war with Israel or any other country and lose.. then its not a childs play game...YOU LOOSE!

 

Pssstt.... Israel started the Six Day War