hugh jarse Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 an interesting questionnaire for Palestinian Advocates By Yashiko Sagamori If you are so sure that “Palestine, the country, goes back through most of recorded history,” I expect you to be able to answer a few basic questions about that country of Palestine: 1. When was it founded and by whom? 2. What were its borders? 3. What was its capital? 4. What were its major cities? 5. What constituted the basis of its economy? 6. What was its form of government? 7. Can you name at least one Palestinian leader before Arafat? 8. Was Palestine ever recognized by a country whose existence, at that time or now, leaves no room for interpretation? 9. What was the language of the country of Palestine? 10. What was the prevalent religion of the country of Palestine? 11. What was the name of its currency? Choose any date in history and tell what was the approximate exchange rate of the Palestinian monetary unit against the US dollar, German mark, GB pound, Japanese yen, or Chinese yuan on that date. 12. And, finally, since there is no such country today, what caused its demise and when did it occur? You are lamenting the “low sinking” of a “once proud” nation. Please tell me, when exactly was that “nation” proud and what was it so proud of? And here is the least sarcastic question of all: If the people you mistakenly call “Palestinians” are anything but generic Arabs collected from all over -- or thrown out of -- the Arab world, if they really have a genuine ethnic identity that gives them right for self-determination, why did they never try to become independent until Arabs suffered their devastating defeat in the Six Day War? I hope you avoid the temptation to trace the modern day “Palestinians” to the Biblical Philistines: substituting etymology for history won’t work here. The truth should be obvious to everyone who wants to know it. Arab countries have never abandoned the dream of destroying Israel; they still cherish it today. Having time and again failed to achieve their evil goal with military means, they decided to fight Israel by proxy. For that purpose, they created a terrorist organization, cynically called it “the Palestinian people” and installed it in Gaza, Judea, and Samaria. How else can you explain the refusal by Jordan and Egypt to unconditionally accept back the “West Bank” and Gaza, respectively? The fact is, Arabs populating Gaza, Judea, and Samaria have much less claim to nationhood than that Indian tribe that successfully emerged in Connecticut with the purpose of starting a tax-exempt casino: at least that tribe had a constructive goal that motivated them. The so-called “Palestinians” have only one motivation: the destruction of Israel, and in my book that is not sufficient to consider them a nation”, or anything else except what they really are: a terrorist organization that will one day be dismantled. In fact, there is only one way to achieve peace in the Middle East. Arab countries must acknowledge and accept their defeat in their war against Israel and, as the losing side should, pay Israel reparations for the more than 50 years of devastation they have visited on it. The most appropriate form of such reparations would be the removal of their terrorist organization from the land of Israel and accepting Israel’s ancient sovereignty over Gaza, Judea, and Samaria That will mark the end of the Palestinian people. What are you saying again was its beginning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnailyBoy Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 Opinion by CTRL+V Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh jarse Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 Pssstt.... Israel started the Six Day War How can you change history... the stupid Egyptians told the nation of Israel the very date that they and all the other Arab nations together were going to attack and sweep Israel into the sea and then they discovered the value of their soldiers;) Today's news it's plain to see..1 soldier from Israel in exchange for 1,000 Arabs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big time Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 So the Six Day War was just a expedition that stumbled across the West Bank. Nothing to do with an occupation? So you believe that some make-believe peoples - the "Palestinians", were invaded and occupied by Isreal?? guffaw Palestine and palestinians are fiction. In the "six day war" Isreal took over the west bank from Jordan in self defence after Jordan joined forces with Egypt and Syria to destroy Isreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callippo Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 Pssstt.... Israel started the Six Day War rubbish. You don't understand the principle of casus beli, which justifies a pre-emptive strike. I suppose you'll be telling us that Israel just made up the Egyptians blockading the Straits of Tiran or that they did not transfer tens of thousands of troops into Sinai. Either of these were casus bellorum. Both together and Israel had no alternative but to attack. It was the only way they could win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnailyBoy Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 "Palestine" hasn't existed - ever, in fact there wasn't any legal sovereign on the west bank, so how can Isreal "occupy" it? everyone needs to stop using the term "occupied territory"; it is disputed territory. So you believe that some make-believe peoples - the "Palastinians", were invaded and occupied by Isreal?? guffaw Palastine and palastinians are fiction. In the "six day war" Isreal took over the west bank from Jordan in self defence after Jordan joined forces with Egypt and Syria to destroy Isreal. Make your mind up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big time Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 Make your mind up what do you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnailyBoy Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 rubbish. You don't understand the principle of casus beli, which justifies a pre-emptive strike. I suppose that all depends on which flag you're fighting under. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnailyBoy Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 what do you mean? Have a read of your posts in 174 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callippo Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 My take on the whole thing is whatever territory israel took in that war is theirs, as long as they give the people in that territory the vote in the knesset. Which they haven't, which is why Israel is in the wrong on this issue. You can have the land and the people, or you can lose the land and the people, but you can't keep the land and not give the people the vote and remain democratic Israel only annexed the Golan Heights and East Jerusalem after 1967 - not the West Bank. Arab residents of Golan Heights and also east Jerusalem that applied for and were given Israeli citizenship DO have the vote in Knesset. Arab residents of east Jerusalem that migrated there after 1967 do not vote in the Knesset as they are not Israeli citizens - but even these can vote in local municipal Jerusalem elections. Israel has not annexed the West Bank at all. They just simply administered it under UNSCR 242, and since 1993, jointly with the PA under the Oslo accords. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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