bullerboY Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Does anyone actually think that a few parading bikers will make the allegedly corrupt E.U take any notice of what they intend to do,no way,they are a law unto themselves it would be better to hold the demos outside our inept M.E.Ps houses and pee them off and do it every week,thats if they are home and not swimming in a bath of wine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alchresearch Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Well that and the extra cost of full body armour... Bikes can already be seen IF they're looked for. More to it than that though isn't there? Out of all the deaths and serious biker injuries on The Snake Pass and Cat and Fiddle, how many were down to the actions of a car driver not seeing a biker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh jarse Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 I ride a motorcyclist and would certainly be in favour of the police stopping bikers and checking if they use the correct parts. It is total rubbish to suggest that bikers have/will have to use only original parts, they simply have to use CE marked parts. A great number opf bikers use illegal plates, exhausts that make their 160mph bike go a tiny bit faster, or even almost black visors. In all cases this is only about vanity. The same applies to wearing reflective jackets. If you such a jacket you are more likely to be seen, and so have a slightly lower chance of being killed. Most people don't wear them because, again, of vanity. The only real objection to such clothing is that it puts the onus on the biker to be seen, whereas really the blame is often, but not always, with the person that hits them. Many of the other recommendations are equally sensible, and some aren't. This is the nature of things, as some changes will be made, but not all of them. if your bike becomes over seven years old it will not be allowed in a town or city. A friend with a lambretta scooter who replaced the dangerous front brake with a disc will have to go back to panic riding again. Have you priced a full OE exhaust for your bike its scary.. now double or triple that price because no one else can supply it...in fact do that with every bike part. The police stopping any and all bikes checking that they have the correct OE spark plugs and shock absorber is not for any safety reasons but it'll just become a government revenue stream...cars will be next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alchresearch Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 if your bike becomes over seven years old it will not be allowed in a town or city. A friend with a lambretta scooter who replaced the dangerous front brake with a disc will have to go back to panic riding again. Have you priced a full OE exhaust for your bike its scary.. now double or triple that price because no one else can supply it...in fact do that with every bike part. The police stopping any and all bikes checking that they have the correct OE spark plugs and shock absorber is not for any safety reasons but it'll just become a government revenue stream...cars will be next Based on what evidence exactly? I'd be all for the cause if it wasn't based on scaremongering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphy Jnr Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 More to it than that though isn't there? Out of all the deaths and serious biker injuries on The Snake Pass and Cat and Fiddle, how many were down to the actions of a car driver not seeing a biker? I'm not putting every accident down to that of motorists but, If they looked then a percentage of them would be avoidable wouldn't they! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalman Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Be interested to hear your comments on this one then, which happened over the weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphy Jnr Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Be interested to hear your comments on this one then, which happened over the weekend. Whose comments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh jarse Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Based on what evidence exactly? I'd be all for the cause if it wasn't based on scaremongering. SORRY FOR THE LONG POST BUT YOU ASKED At the head of the list is the European 3rd Licence Directive, which will introduce an intermediate A2 tier of licence between the current 33hp ‘restricted’ category which can be gained by passing a test at age 17, and ‘direct access’ to full power bikes. Direct Access to full power bikes will be put back to 24 from the current 21. New rules on braking systems on all new bikes, which will be imposed shortly. All new machines will have to have either linked brakes or ABS fitted as standard. New laws will also allow for ‘anti-tampering’ measures to prevent and/or make it illegal to improve performance. This seems to cover parts like alternative sprockets and aftermarket exhausts. Type approval is being extended to cover some replacement parts, specifically mirrors, brake pads and brake shoes and tyres. This would make it illegal to replace any of these parts with a non-approved part and goes far beyond the ‘e-mark’ legislation currently in place. Compulsory protective clothing in Belgium. Belgium imposed new rules on 1 January 2011 which required all riders and passengers on two wheelers to wear long sleeves, trousers, gloves and boots that cover the ankle (plus the obligatory helmet, of course!). There’s no requirement for this to be ‘protective clothing’ as far as I can see, so it would appear to be a very minimum standard. But it’s still compulsory Compulsory protective clothing in the UK whilst taking your bike test. In a very similar measure, the DSA recently announced that candidates turning up for their bike test in ‘inappropriate’ clothing could be turned away untested. Whilst the ‘appropriate clothing’ is no more than as recommended on CBT (ie, helmet, stout jacket and trousers, gloves and ankle-protecting footwear), it’s been rushed through with no apparent consultation with the motorcycle industry. Compulsory hi-vis clothing in France for motorcyclists from 1 September 2011. This one’s kicked up a terrific stink in France with riders, with an estimated 100,000 turning out in demos on Sunday 18 June, in numbers which paralysed cities and towns up and down the country. According to reports, more than 15,000 bikers clogged up the heart of the capital blocking the Periphique, Lyon (France’s second largest city) saw more than 10,000 bikers, 7,000 demonstrated in Lille, and Toulouse was totally blocked by 8,000 bikers. Smaller demonstrations took place in dozens of other cities. France to ban bikes over seven years old from cities centres. This was announced just before the hi-vis demo, so almost certainly added to the turn-out. New French laws will also ban filtering and force all riders to remain stationary in traffic jams and retro-fit bigger rear numberplates [Rather bizarrely, Belgium has just legalised filtering on 1 January 2011, so long as it's within limits - you can't ride faster than 50Km/h or more than 20Km/h faster than the traffic you're filtering past.] New French laws will give the police power to seize GPS units ‘capable of storing the locations of fixed speed cameras’. In the past, it was illegal to use a GPS to locate speed cameras and your GPS could be confiscated if used in this way, but it’s not clear whether this means any GPS capable of POI alerts contravenes the new regulations even if there are no such POIs in the memory. Compulsory hi-vis in Ireland. The law was introduced a couple of years ago, but after a softly-softly period, it’s apparently been announced that it’s now to be strictly enforced. [EDIT] This appears to apply only to learner riders at the moment but there is a proposal to extend this to qualified riders [/EDIT] Spain has banned headphones in helmets. It applies to car drivers too, but it means that using bike to bike/passenger intercoms is illegal south of the Pyrenees, as is using an earpiece to listen to GPS directions. You may not be worried by any of this. You may feel it’s an intolerable assault on motorcycling and the ‘lifestyle’ that goes with it. I’m not going to argue for or against either viewpoint, but if nothing else, this list should give you an idea of the potential minefield that travelling in Europe is fast becoming THESE RULES IF PASSED WILL BE MADE UNIVERSAL FOR EUROPE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodmally Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 what are the EU wanting to do ? 3rd driving license directive ( 3 separate classes of motorcycle license from 125- over 60hp each with a seperate driving test) compulsory fluro jackets with sleeves for all riders compulsory full body armour compulsory ABS on bikes Anti tamper legislation to cover the full drive train from carb to tyres ( that means original equipment only) Throttle controls mot tests by roadside proposed ban on motorcycles over 7 years old from urban areas etc etc etc Damn these meddling Europeans for making biking and our roads safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanes teeth Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 I'm not putting every accident down to that of motorists but, If they looked then a percentage of them would be avoidable wouldn't they! But you surely can't deny that bikers can be more easily seen when wearing high viz,and a higher percentage would be avoidable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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