I1L2T3 Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Hardly. They describe themselves as a centre-left think tank. John X So what was yoir point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balpin Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 It's you who is judging your fellow man, with your generalisations about class As for ambition and desire of knowledge, well done, some have more ambition and desire and are therefore rewarded for their endeavours ....simple Sounds to me like you would be happy enough to see others work hard while you put little effort in yourself for the same rewards ! The exact opposite, I have worked and given the capitalist the benefit of my labour and intelligence all my life, at very cheap rates I may add. I am still providing them with my ability at turned 60. And at least I have the warm feeling that when I go to my grave, I have passed on my knowledge to fellow men. I will also have imparted to them what stinking trash we are working for, and that all our skill and ability goes to enriching beings who are not fit for cat litter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big time Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 The Fabian Society is a centre left think tank affiliated to the Labour Party. Try finding the word 'socialist' on the Who we are page of their website! John X Try finding the word 'fascist' or 'nazi' in the who we are part of the BNP website Take a look at this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Society yes its Wiki, but its actually a good acurate article and a good start for researching the Fabian society. From the article: (my bold) The Fabian Society is a British socialist movement, whose purpose is to advance the principles of democratic socialism via gradualist and reformist, rather than revolutionary, means (In other words they're sneaking socialism in gradually) Through the course of the 20th century the group has always been influential in Labour Party circles, with members including Ramsay MacDonald, Clement Attlee, Anthony Crosland, Richard Crossman, Tony Benn, Harold Wilson and more recently Tony Blair and Gordon Brown. The late Ben Pimlott served as its Chairman in the 1990s.The Society is affiliated to the Party as a socialist society. In recent years the Young Fabian group, founded in 1960, has become an important networking and discussion organisation for younger (under 31) Labour Party activists and played a role in the 1994 election of Tony Blair as Labour Leader. Following a period of inactivity, the Scottish Young Fabians were reformed in 2005. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael_W Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 The exact opposite, I have worked and given the capitalist the benefit of my labour and intelligence all my life, at very cheap rates I may add. I am still providing them with my ability at turned 60. And at least I have the warm feeling that when I go to my grave, I have passed on my knowledge to fellow men. I will also have imparted to them what stinking trash we are working for, and that all our skill and ability goes to enriching beings who are not fit for cat litter. So have millions of others Balpin, you should not be so bitter about such things, that's life, I'm sure your family will have appreciated your hard work and endeavour, like you said it's not just about money! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vague_Boy Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 I could possibly be persuaded to, if they didn't represent the banking elite. As opposed to Tony Blair (who now works for JP Morgan). Or how about Gordon Brown kowtowing to the City with "light touch regulation". Gordon Brown helped fuel banking crisis - FSA head Gordon Brown helped fuel Britain’s banking crisis by pressuring the City regulator not to intervene and stop reckless lending, Lord Turner, the head of the Financial Services Authority, said. The authority’s chairman claimed the regulator was under political “pressure” not to be “heavy and intrusive” with banks such as HBOS and Northern Rock. Instead, it was told to operate a “light touch” approach, which had now been proved to be “mistaken”, he told a Commons committee. The failure of the regulator to intervene earlier has been blamed for the banking crisis, which has led to the near-collapse of several of the country’s biggest banks. LINK And the current Shadow Chancellor Ed Balls and his praise for light-touch regulation in the City My point in quoting the above is not to say "don't vote Labour, vote Conservative", my point is simply that there is no longer any substantial ideological difference between the two. Look how the Coalition is backtracking Talk tough on housing benefit - then backtrack. Talk tough on disability claimants - then backtrack. Talk tough on child benefit cuts - then backtrack. Austerity "cuts" that led to record deficits in April and August of this year. Labour in favour of cuts, then against them, now it won't promise to reverse them. So if you think austerity is the way forward, who do you vote for? If you think more borrowing is the answer, who do you choose? The government supposedly bent on cutting but is actually borrowing more than ever, or the party that opposed the cuts, but now isn't so sure. The first step is to break out of the ideological strait-jacket many of you seem to be locked into and realize that pinning your hopes on the Labourtives or the Conbours is a fool's errand. A generation ago there were clear ideological differences between the two parties, probably never more so than in the Thatcher/Foot era of the early 80s. Now modern politics is like a WWF bout, lots of shouting, posturing and theatrics to keep the audience happy, then off for a drink together and a laugh afterwards (money in the bank). A good book on the subject is The Triumph of the Political Class by Peter Oborne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balpin Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 So have millions of others Balpin, you should not be so bitter about such things, that's life, I'm sure your family will have appreciated your hard work and endeavour, like you said it's not just about money! Not only my family, but the system I have enriched by my very being. As you rightly say our existence is not about money. It is about just reward, and under this system of reward the true and deserving ones do not recieve it. I have trancended bitterness, as up to a point I consider I have done reasonably well from the system If the Industrial Revolution had not occurred, then Engineers would not be required. But then again, the capitalists could not have made their fortunes without engineers could they? No capitalist has ever made a difference to this world, except to degrade it. Every engineer makes a difference for the better every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 As opposed to Tony Blair (who now works for JP Morgan). Or how about Gordon Brown kowtowing to the City with "light touch regulation". LINK And the current Shadow Chancellor Ed Balls and his praise for light-touch regulation in the City My point in quoting the above is not to say "don't vote Labour, vote Conservative", my point is simply that there is no longer any substantial ideological difference between the two. Look how the Coalition is backtracking Talk tough on housing benefit - then backtrack. Talk tough on disability claimants - then backtrack. Talk tough on child benefit cuts - then backtrack. Austerity "cuts" that led to record deficits in April and August of this year. Labour in favour of cuts, then against them, now it won't promise to reverse them. So if you think austerity is the way forward, who do you vote for? If you think more borrowing is the answer, who do you choose? The government supposedly bent on cutting but is actually borrowing more than ever, or the party that opposed the cuts, but now isn't so sure. The first step is to break out of the ideological strait-jacket many of you seem to be locked into and realize that pinning your hopes on the Labourtives or the Conbours is a fool's errand. A generation ago there were clear ideological differences between the two parties, probably never more so than in the Thatcher/Foot era of the early 80s. Now modern politics is like a WWF bout, lots of shouting, posturing and theatrics to keep the audience happy, then off for a drink together and a laugh afterwards (money in the bank). A good book on the subject is The Triumph of the Political Class by Peter Oborne. I'm with you on Labour links to the banks. The banks have wormed their way into politics in many ways, not just through political donations. If we want to clean things up all the parties need to review how they are connected to the banks. Tories, Labour and LibDems included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Rich Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 Either you have memory problems, or honesty problems: You said greed was caused by the capitalist system, so I thought you might like to explain how it affects people in the middle of a communist state as well. No, but keep trying Mentioning the word 'Express' doesn't mean I commented on the article does it you muppet. As for your other question I've still no idea what you are babling on about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael_W Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 Not only my family, but the system I have enriched by my very being. As you rightly say our existence is not about money. It is about just reward, and under this system of reward the true and deserving ones do not recieve it. I have trancended bitterness, as up to a point I consider I have done reasonably well from the system If the Industrial Revolution had not occurred, then Engineers would not be required. But then again, the capitalists could not have made their fortunes without engineers could they? No capitalist has ever made a difference to this world, except to degrade it. Every engineer makes a difference for the better every day. So no engineers were capitalists then ? I feel your judgement is clouded a little by bitterness, your ideals do not fit into the path of human nature, we are where we are for a reason, we will never agree me and you though we may actually not be that different as people ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bojangles Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 So no engineers were capitalists then ? I feel your judgement is clouded a little by bitterness, your ideals do not fit into the path of human nature, we are where we are for a reason, we will never agree me and you though we may actually not be that different as people !I wonder if Isambard Kingdom Brunel could be described as a capitalist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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