Mr Bojangles Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Like I told you before you see things in posts that are not there and then you reply to that. Weird. By the way are you from Sheffield? To your first sentence, remember this? . . . you Tory nutters all sound the same. . . . . To you second, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pb1977 Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Why are you so sure we can do without these jobs when you know nothing about them? Can't you reallly not see how the Tories are pulling the wool over your eyes and taking you for a fool? I just don't understand how you can be so gulable and naive. Maybe from 1997 to the present day we needed an extra 180k of council jobs and maybe we really do need a bouncy castle attendant and a cheerleading development officer. Could it be you thats the gulable and naive one in thinking that we really do need the 2 jobs above. If it means we can keep an extra cop or fire fighter working, i would quite happily see the 2 other jobs go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Rich Posted September 30, 2011 Author Share Posted September 30, 2011 To your first sentence, remember this? To you second, yes. Different context you plonker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bojangles Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Different context you plonker.Ease up on that cheap cider Keith, then you might not stray into name-calling when you're corrected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hard2miss Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 What would Mr Cameron have done differently? Packed the job in to show the commitment to his son that he would have the Public believe he has. Failing that him dropping dead after winning the election and have Clegg PM so he could have fulfilled some of his electoral promises instead of bottling it and letting the Tories grab the country by the nuts. Either of those two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecky Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Across England, significantly more people vote Tory than Labour, even in the years Labour has won - does that mean most English people are nutters? Do you have proof of that? If so, why not have an electoral system where one person has one vote and the party which has the most votes win the election, I mean the Torys would never lose would they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conrod Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Do you have proof of that? If so, why not have an electoral system where one person has one vote and the party which has the most votes win the election, I mean the Torys would never lose would they?The proof is available to anybody who looks for it - jut look for election results online. Our system is not bases on the party with the most votes - it's based on the party with the most seats - a big, big difference. One party could win 6 of 10 seats with a majority of 1% with low turnout in each of those areas, while another party winning 4 of 10 could have a 30% majority with high turnout in its 4 and have, overall, many more votes than the party with the extra seats - and that's what we usually get in the UK. In Labour's last win in the 70s, and I think in Blair's last win, Labour achieved seat majorities despite more Tory votes being placed. Many of Labour's seats are smaller inner city boundaries with marginal wins, while many Tory seats are large rural boundaries with big majorities. Also, when in power Labour adjusted some constituency boundaries to make damned sure it benefitted from this imbalance. The other factor is that the whole balance of seats is affected by those outside England - Scotland and Wales have Labour support, but very little Conservative. If Scotland and Wales were given true independence, without Parialmentary seats in Westminster, the Tory majority would be massive due to its dominance of the English seats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pb1977 Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Usually the party that wins a overall majority also wins the popular vote, but if you start to really look at the results they make interesting reading. Take the 1997 Labour landslide victory, they won by 4 million votes over the next party, had a majority of 179 seats but still only pulled 43%. Looking at the 2005 election Labour had a majority of 66 seats but only won the popular vote by about 800k but still winning 157 more seats than the Tory's. In 2010 the Tory's won the popular vote by over 2 million but still didn't manage to gain an overall majority. The Tory's pulled 2 million more votes than Labour but only won 48 more seats. Labour pulled about 2 million votes more than the Liberals but won 201 more seats than them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 That pre-supposes they wouldn't have given the Bank of England the independence to control the base rate - or given it different criteria on what to consider when setting it They didn't strongly oppose the decision to give the BoE independence. And have made no moves to reverse that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Has it not occurred to you that the bank bailouts may not be one of the things the 'mess Labour left us in Brigade' are unhappy with? But the bailouts are the key reason (although granted not the only reason) we are in the mess we're in now. Unless everybody faces up to that fact we are never going to resolve the core problem. It's daft to pretend that all the debt was caused by profligate public spending. Osborne is going to find this out the hard way because more bailouts are coming. How will he explain that next surge in debt and how do you think he would react if accused of profligate public spending? After all his record so far is one of increasing spending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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