Should down and outers be sterilised?

[Mecky]

Yes, there seems a lot of government initiated stigmatisation knocking around these days. The government is pitching opinion against opinion, Lord Voldemort has nothing to come.

[Sean Hughes]

I hate that there are people who play the system and contribute nothing. These are the people who we are all paying for, but life isn't so black and white and everyone faces their own ups and downs in life. Situations change and so do people.

[Balpin]

My argument is against scroungers. Families with a history.of avoiding work. Not disabled etc.

 

If there is nothing up with them, I agree.

I know of many who have never worked and are proud of it.

They are a disgrace to us. I am a socialist.

I believe in from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.

If a man can work, he should do so, no excuses, unless he is badly.

Then we look after him, no problem.

When he is right, he works again.

 

The problem we have at present is that there is no work, so where are we?

There is plenty in China and India, under International Socialism some of that work would come here, and the recompense would be shared out fairly.

[Wildcat]

I can just imagine it in a jobcentre of the future:

 

"Mr Eckolad"

 

A depressed looking skiver wearing what once might have been decent looking clothes, but now shabby and showing the kind of wear and damage that 4 months sleeping rough does to even the finest tailored clothes approaches the plastic covered chair the smiling Govt employee is pointing to.

 

After identifying him, she breaks the bad news. "I am sorry to have to tell you, but I am going to have to compulsory refer you to the sterilisation clinic for not being actively seeking work. We called "dodgy and dodgy" the employer you said you were going to apply for work from and they have told us you never applied for a job with them". This is the second time this year, your first 6 month sanction on no money obviously didn't teach you your lesson, so to save society from a future filled with feckless scroungers we have no other option. "

 

The shabby man splutters in a wheezing rage, "I did apply for the job, they are lying".

 

The Govt. employee asks "so why haven't you given us any proof".

 

Eckolad: "What proof can I give there is no receipt for filling a form in online!"

 

The Govt. employee ""Dodgy and dodgy" are one of our best suppliers of "work placements" and highly connected. Their word on this matter counts much more than your own." The smiling employee feigns concern "I am sorry but that is not a satisfactory answer. You should understand this is in the interests of society. Numerous online polls showed support for this before the Govt introduced this. This is democracy in action. The will of the people."

 

Eckolad sobs "I thought I was better than others with my job, I looked down on those unemployed scorned them. The fact we were in recession, the fact I knew there were millions unemployed only made me think we were being over run. But the business went bust, the job I thought safe evaporated and I find myself without work and nothing but imaginary jobs put up by agencies to get people on their books and work experience opportunities from employers with more people on work experience than they are paying to work, who's whole business model only works based on free labour. I am not scum, this is not my fault" He bangs the desk with his fist, tears streaming down his eyes.

 

The Govt employee smile sweetly, "is this not the future you wanted?" before quickly backing off as the security guards manhandle the now incandescent scruffy scrounger out the door. The other people in the office quietly and contemptuously watch the lowlife scum being put out on to the street.

[Mr Bojangles]

Th Govt employee says: "You needn't worry Mr Wildcat, we don't think there's much risk of you getting to know a woman well enough to have kids"

[Mr Bojangles]

If there is nothing up with them, I agree.

I know of many who have never worked and are proud of it.

They are a disgrace to us. I am a socialist.

I believe in from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.

If a man can work, he should do so, no excuses, unless he is badly.

Then we look after him, no problem.

When he is right, he works again.

 

The problem we have at present is that there is no work, so where are we?

There is plenty in China and India, under International Socialism some of that work would come here, and the recompense would be shared out fairly.

There is plenty of work in their parent countries for them to stay there and ply their skills, as artisans, to the benefit of their home nations.

[Eckolad]

I can just imagine it in a jobcentre of the future:

 

"Mr Eckolad"

 

A depressed looking skiver wearing what once might have been decent looking clothes, but now shabby and showing the kind of wear and damage that 4 months sleeping rough does to even the finest tailored clothes approaches the plastic covered chair the smiling Govt employee is pointing to.

 

After identifying him, she breaks the bad news. "I am sorry to have to tell you, but I am going to have to compulsory refer you to the sterilisation clinic for not being actively seeking work. We called "dodgy and dodgy" the employer you said you were going to apply for work from and they have told us you never applied for a job with them". This is the second time this year, your first 6 month sanction on no money obviously didn't teach you your lesson, so to save society from a future filled with feckless scroungers we have no other option. "

 

The shabby man splutters in a wheezing rage, "I did apply for the job, they are lying".

 

The Govt. employee asks "so why haven't you given us any proof".

 

Eckolad: "What proof can I give there is no receipt for filling a form in online!"

 

The Govt. employee ""Dodgy and dodgy" are one of our best suppliers of "work placements" and highly connected. Their word on this matter counts much more than your own." The smiling employee feigns concern "I am sorry but that is not a satisfactory answer. You should understand this is in the interests of society. Numerous online polls showed support for this before the Govt introduced this. This is democracy in action. The will of the people."

 

Eckolad sobs "I thought I was better than others with my job, I looked down on those unemployed scorned them. The fact we were in recession, the fact I knew there were millions unemployed only made me think we were being over run. But the business went bust, the job I thought safe evaporated and I find myself without work and nothing but imaginary jobs put up by agencies to get people on their books and work experience opportunities from employers with more people on work experience than they are paying to work, who's whole business model only works based on free labour. I am not scum, this is not my fault" He bangs the desk with his fist, tears streaming down his eyes.

 

The Govt employee smile sweetly, "is this not the future you wanted?" before quickly backing off as the security guards manhandle the now incandescent scruffy scrounger out the door. The other people in the office quietly and contemptuously watch the lowlife scum being put out on to the street.

 

 

Nice to see you had time to reply:)

[Halibut]

There is plenty of work in their parent countries for them to stay there and ply their skills, as artisans, to the benefit of their home nations.

 

Fancy you trying to turn it into a race issue!

[Mr Bojangles]

Fancy you trying to turn it into a race issue!

Ah, in comes the one trick pony, accusing people of racism where there is none. Who'd have believed it.

[Balpin]

Ah, in comes the one trick pony, accusing people of racism where there is none. Who'd have believed it.

 

Trying to slag off Halibut is a non starter.

Race does not enter into socialism, we are one people. No country, no religion, no race.