Murphy Jnr Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 What was the lifestyle of a porter 40 years ago till now? Do the wages pay enough for a comparable lifestyle today? Minimum wage is pitiful and offers no incentive to work. Its impossible to progress in life instead people survive and its ridiculously unfair and blind to even consider that such an amount is reasonable. Employers pay it happily and why not, there's a good source of desperate workers out there fighting to have a life which is constantly being eroded by greed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandad.Malky Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 They can and would. What about the ones that don’t want to get up at 5am, work nights, work weekends, get their hands dirty or do anything that will interfere with their social life …….. don’t laugh I have heard them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyfriday Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 So who picked the fruit from the fields before the migrants took the jobs? Poor, uneducated Brits with no guarantee of a minimum wage or employment rights. Those people would no longer work under those conditions if we went back to that regime. Who wheeled the sick around the hospitals before the mid 1990s? Do you know how long immigrants have been working in the NHS in these low level jobs? You need to do a little more research into your proposals and the history of why there are so many immigrants working in the NHS and why Enoch Powell of all people encouraged migration from the Commonwealth to support the NHS. Who did the portering jobs in the hotels before the migrants? See my first response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyfriday Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 What was the lifestyle of a porter 40 years ago till now? Do the wages pay enough for a comparable lifestyle today? Spot on chem1st. It's ok asking who did these jobs previously, but working conditions for poor, uneducated Brits was comparable to the poor, uneducated immigrants who come here to do the jobs that the OP is saying Brits should do, quite simply the income wouldn't support the lifestyle they've become accustomed to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vague_Boy Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 We put that money into businesses so that they can train the almost 1 million unemployed and give them the skills that are needed for employment in 2011. What businesses? Tanning salons, tattoo parlors, betting shops, estate agents? Our "service economy" is hardly awash with genuinely productive jobs. Most businesses won't take too kindly to being told who to hire. Likewise, they may prefer foreign workers because of their stronger work ethic. Why UK employers prefer foreign workers A new report by the Centre for Social Justice, a right-wing think tank, says the widespread unemployment among Britons is down mostly to a lack of work ethic with 62 per cent of the employers saying they turn down British workers because of their “poor work attitude and ethic.” The report calls for a fourth “R” —responsibility — to be added to the three “Rs” — reading, writing and arithmetic. Recently, an Indian industrialist unwittingly waded into the debate when he criticised the “work ethic” of some of his British workforce and went on to draw a contrast with Indian workers who, he said, were willing to go the “extra mile” in crisis situations. His remarks were described by one liberal commentator as the “ultimate empire-strikes-back moment” pointing out how in the “bad old days of the raj” the Brits revelled in lecturing the “lazy” natives on work ethic. In an interview to The Times, which was forced to apologise for tweaking the context in which he had made the comment, Ratan Tata recalled his frustration at the culture he found at two British companies, Corus and Jaguar Land Rover, when he bought them. Nobody, he said, was “willing to go the extra mile, nobody.” LINK Alternatively... Boss sacks ‘Job Centre lazy teens’ A businessman is *boycotting Job Centres because he says the *teenagers they send along spend too much time on their mobiles. Garden centre and farm shops boss Richard Haddock, 54, who led farmers’ fuel protests in the 1990s, says Britain’s new generation have no work ethic. The businessman asks candidates to work a two-hour trial for no pay to see if they’re suitable. But he said: “I have had youngsters sent here from the JobCentre and most aren’t interested in working. They just want their form signed to show they came. “They turn up late, half-asleep or with hangovers and spend half their time checking their mobiles.” He says he will now recruit older people and foreign workers at his shop near Brixham, Devon. LINK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyfriday Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Any specialist training such as Doctors etc...could be given to our brightest and give them the skills that are needed. . I've heard this naive opinion expressed many times. Medicine is a rigorous subject academically in terms of the learning structure and the practical application of it. The application requirements are onerous, and given the choices available to school leavers only very few want to take on that challenge, so unless you want to reduce the application criteria and enrol kids who otherwise would have been doing a BTEC in beauty therapy, you need a means of replacing the foreign doctors who work in the NHS. Incidentally, it takes 5 years to train a junior doctor, up to 20 years a consultant..it isn't a problem that could ever be addressed overnight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandad.Malky Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Poor, uneducated Brits with no guarantee of a minimum wage or employment rights. Those people would no longer work under those conditions if we went back to that regime. Do you know how long immigrants have been working in the NHS in these low level jobs? Two very good points, people very conveniently forget theses things when they are looking for someone to blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyfriday Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Two very good points, people very conveniently forget theses things when they are looking for someone to blame. I think the OP has a romantic vision of happy, rosy cheeked Brits tilling the soil and bailing hay under a lazy English sun, then sitting down to a Ploughmans, washed down with real ale or weak lemonade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmith Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 I know people of all ages that have applied for low paid jobs, one young man I know as applied for over 100 jobs over the past years, he has applied for jobs as a pot washer, waiter, McDonalds, ect, mostly he doesn't get a reply, he has had interviews, he has been told he is over qualified. In the past I have applied for a job as a Hospital porter guess what I was over qualified. It’s a loud of crap that British workers won't do the low paid jobs, most of the time it’s because the British worker is overqualified and the employer knows they will move on when a better offer comes along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyfriday Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Lets give them a chance to prove you wrong. After that, if they refuse to do the work, I will joing you in condeming our young They already have that chance, access to free education and no one is preventing them applying for jobs that you believe immigrants are preventing them from having. If you believe they have qualities that foreign labour doesn't then employers should have no difficulty in employing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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