Halibut Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 Yes, but not as I speak. That'd be 'no' then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balpin Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 Sold me out??? Blair was cosying long before Cameron. Don't you mean dictatorship rather than "socialist state"? Whatever the result will be regarding their politics it's highly likely it'll be an Islamic one. Your rhetoric regarding "Islamic" is a bit moot considering the region. Yes I suppose so. If you think this is a good thing I will leave it with you. All I know is that this is the worst thing to have happenned to the Med for the last 60 years at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balpin Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 That'd be 'no' then... Give me your information, and I will confirm it. Smart arsed comments are not the way of discussion. Do you have any ideas regarding any subject at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halibut Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 I think they are Islamic fundamentalists using this as a stepping stone to greater glory. You make a claim. Can you point to any evidence which would support that theory? I ask you if there's any eveidence to support that claim. Yes, but not as I speak. You say yes, but then no. That'd be 'no' then... I point out that you have no evidence for your claim. Give me your information, and I will confirm it. Smart arsed comments are not the way of discussion. Do you have any ideas regarding any subject at all? Bizzarrely, you ask me for evidence. I'm not the one making the claim. Perhaps you should just have said 'I personally think the new Libyan government will be Islamofascist one, even though there's no evidence to support the notion'. You'd look less silly than you do presently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinz Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 Yes I suppose so. If you think this is a good thing I will leave it with you. All I know is that this is the worst thing to have happenned to the Med for the last 60 years at least. Doesn't matter if I think if Islam is a good thing or not...it's there, has been for millennia. Or are you suggesting that the religion of the area be wiped from history because one man has been killed? Islam was preached long before daffy came along. Islam will continue as a faith in the region. Let's just hope it's a secular one. If not then you can cry "told you so". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balpin Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 You make a claim. I ask you if there's any eveidence to support that claim. You say yes, but then no. I point out that you have no evidence for your claim. Bizzarrely, you ask me for evidence. I'm not the one making the claim. Perhaps you should just have said 'I personally think the new Libyan government will be Islamofascist one, even though there's no evidence to support the notion'. You'd look less silly than you do presently. I am sorry. I did not realise I looked silly. I will therfore accept that you are right on this forum and withdraw all sensible comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinz Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 I think he was talking about Bn Laden. I guess the term "US" caused a reactionary panic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
love_rat Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 I've not read all the thread but here is a thought.... What if the guys who have overthrown Gadaffi are Al Queda? We could have help Terrorists take over a country that is not too far from Europe. Would you be laughing if you were on an Easyjet flight that was attempting to land in Ibiza, which was swerving to avoid anti aircraft missiles on approach to the airport? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleyman Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 If Hillary Clinton dropped in to have a chat with the rebels then they're legit. She wouldnt risk having her pictures taken with a bunch of closet Al Qaeda and sometime in the future becoming a laughing stock especially among the Tea Party. Kadaffy should have been kept alive. He could have been questioned in connection with Lockerbie. A lot of questions remain unanswered and now the whole stroy will never be known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan01 Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 LIE 1: “There were Human rights abuses in Libya and Gaddafi slaughtered his own people” The primary justification for intervention in Libya by NATO was because "there were severe human rights abuses" under Gaddafi's rule. These claims were in reality, far fetched and laughable, because Libya probably had far better human rights than any other country in Africa. What YOU were told by those Mainstream Media fanatics including all those so called "human rights" groups like Amnesty International (which is no doubt another front controlled by the Elite), were all either fabricated lies or deliberately exaggerated for the justified NATO intervention. This damning piece of evidence (dated 4th January 2011) from the UN Human Rights website which clearly shows undeniable proof that there was absolutely NO EVIDENCE of serious Human Right's abuses as accused by NATO and UN presently. http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/docs/16session/A-HRC-16-15.pdf Whats more, SEVERAL countries even praised Libya's excellent Human rights Track Record but they still decided to topple Gaddafi! Hypocrisy or what?! LIE 2: “The people of Libya were oppressed and were living in poverty under Gaddafi’s rule” This lie is probably the funniest, and the easiest to debunk. There was very little poverty (almost compared to Western standards) and Libya had literally the best living standards in Africa ranking 55th out of 172 countries (before NATO and Rebel interference) according to the Human Development Index - 0.755 The people in Libya under Gaddafi’s rule had: Free education, Free health care, Free farmland a house and seeds, Free energy bills, $50,000 housing money for just married couples, Interest free loans, Debt free country, Government pays half for your car, Near free gasoline prices etc. The people in Libya were oppressed MY A$$! This country sounds like the American dream which the people of America never had! And just to note, almost EVERY country in Africa today is dependent on Foreign Aid, except Libya (during Gaddafi's rule). This will be further analysed later in the thread. The Truth about Libya LIE 3: Gaddafi was responsible for the Lockerbie Bombing Libya and Gaddafi was FRAMED for the Lockerbie Bombing. END OFF. This was probably one of the EARLIEST LIES to frame Gaddafi and socially engineer the public’s perception of him. This is based on the premise that key evidence presented at the trial (e.g. timer fragment, parts from a specific radio cassette model, clothing bought in Malta, bomb suitcase originating at Luqa Airport) was deliberately fabricated by the U.S. and Britain for the "political" purpose of incriminating Libya. Why? Because of all the reasons stated above and below. Libya was bad for Big business and Big Banking, so something had to be done – like the Lockerbie Bombing, so that lies could be fabricated and Gaddafi could be demonised over the years until his death. Even though Gaddafi was never involved in the Lockerbie Bombing, recently the mainstream media is jumping around the fact that he somehow “was”. IE 4: “Gaddafi wanted to become the king of Africa and enslave all the people” On the contrary, Gaddafi wanted a more united Africa...an Africa which was independent of Western interference and exploitation. You ever wonder why the billions of $$$ in Aid never actually help the people of Africa in the long term? Because its bad for big business. Simple as that. If you start getting a stronger Africa both economically and politically, then Big Multinational Corporations would literally be BANKRUPT, DEAD and ERADICATED over night. Why? Because their business models literally WORK AND DEPEND on SLAVERY. Pay some African kid less than a dollar a day to make shoes, and then sell the shoes for $50 in the market. 5000% profit made. Most of it goes to the board of directors not because they are doing good business – but because THEY CAN benefit by exploiting the African people and smacking the “Fair Trade” label on everything so that when we the consumer buy stuff, do not have to feel guilty about buying products made in Third World Countries. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/janetdaley/3555412/Forget-Fairtrade-only-free-trade-can-help-poor.html LIE 5: “The wealth of Gaddafi will be redistributed to the people of Libya” And this is it folks, the biggest lie ever told in the history of Libya (and to the World aswell) - “The wealth of Gaddafi will be redistributed to the people of Libya”. Even if you may still have doubts whether Gaddafi was really the Good guy or not, theres no DENYING about the fact the sole reason why NATO intervened in Libya was due to Economical reasons. Why punish the banks during an economic crisis when you can easily profit from a war based on a lie? Some believe it is about protecting civilians, others say it is about oil, but some are convinced intervention in Libya is all about Gaddafi’s plan to introduce the gold dinar, a single African currency made from gold, a true sharing of the wealth. “It’s one of these things that you have to plan almost in secret, because as soon as you say you’re going to change over from the dollar to something else, you’re going to be targeted,” says Ministry of Peace founder Dr James Thring. “There were two conferences on this, in 1986 and 2000, organized by Gaddafi. Everybody was interested, most countries in Africa were keen.” Gaddafi did not give up. In the months leading up to the military intervention, he called on African and Muslim nations to join together to create this new currency that would rival the dollar and euro. They would sell oil and other resources around the world only for gold dinars. It is an idea that would shift the economic balance of the world. Saving the World Economy from Gaddafi - RT NEWS That’s right folks, Gaddafi wanted OUT of the International Banking Scam which was (still is) gripping the World. The Elite couldn’t have that, so they started a couple of false flag protests, added a pinch of Al Qaeda militants to create bloodshed to make every sap in the World believe Gaddafi was killing his people, and then finally justify military intervention in the name of “FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY”. As you can see, Libya was truly a far better country before this Illegal Civil War and NATO interference. I pray for the people in Libya now because most of this wealth of Gaddafi "being redistributed”, will mostly go to the Big Banking firms and Multinationals immediately as “debt to be paid”. And yeah, remember those words: FREEDOM AND DEMORACY. I’m sure that is something we people here in the West VERY MUCH wish to have right now. 2 Videos to watch: making more sense than MSM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9CphgEuFP0 People of libya-effected- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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