johncocker Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 Sold me out??? Blair was cosying long before Cameron. Don't you mean dictatorship rather than "socialist state" Whatever the result will be regarding their politics it's highly likely it'll be an Islamic one. Your rhetoric regarding "Islamic" is a bit moot considering the region. can"t you remember when He was the darling of the trendy left ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinz Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 Ghadaffi and especially Mubarak were heavily backed by the west , Excellent work..did you come to this conclusion all on your own? The western axis powers backed Mubarak to the last day and now are backing the miltary junta , See my above. Nice use of the word "axis". For effect? I guess some people are really that dumb and believe we invade and bomb to free people ? We bombed, gadaffy is dead. The people are free of him. What's dumb about understanding that? can"t you remember when He was the darling of the trendy left ? Yes. What's to be suspect about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balpin Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 He was dealt with by the Lybian people for the crimes he commited against the Lybian people . Exactly how it should be in my eyes. I have no issues with the photos . I dont see your problem . You can floss it and gloss any way you want. This was murder, pure and simple You cannot drag someone into the street, beat them up and shoot their brains out. In a civilised society it is not done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinz Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 You can floss it and gloss any way you want. This was murder, pure and simple You cannot drag someone into the street, beat them up and shoot their brains out. In a civilised society it is not done So what would you have them do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1love Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 When gadaffi took power, he immediately removed the british and american military bases and embasies from his country. He also refused to give into central banking, IMF, and been as a longtime blockade for America to take control of the Libya's oil fields. Here is how Life in libya really looks: 1. There is no electricity bill in Libya; electricity is free for all its citizens. 2. There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at 0% interest by law. 3. Home considered a human right in Libya – Gaddafi vowed that his parents would not get a house until everyone in Libya had a home. Gaddafi’s father has died while him, his wife and his mother are still living in a tent. 4. All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 Dinar (US$ 50,000 ) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family. 5. Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25% of Libyans are literate. Today the figure is 83%. 6. If Libyans want to take up farming career, they would receive farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and livestock to kick- start their farms – all for free. 7. If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need in Libya, the government funds them to go abroad for it – not only free but they get US $2, 300/mth accommodation and car allowance. 8. In Libya, if a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidized 50% of the price. 9. The price of petrol in Libya is $0. 14 per liter. 10. Libya has no external debt and its reserves amount to $150 billion – now frozen globally 11. If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found. 12. A portion of Libyan oil sale is, credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens. 13. A mother who gave birth to a child receive US $5 ,000 14. 40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $ 0.15 15. 25% of Libyans have a university degree 16. Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project, known as the Great Man-Made River project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country. -------- Then who are these 'Rebels' ? According to many different sources - Foreign journalist in Libya( Lizzy Phelan ) and Venezeula's intelligence agency Those rebels are non-libyans shipped through Mediterrenean sea by the CIA for the so called 'Libyan revolution'. The arms these "rebels" carry around are sponsored to them by "Cia and NATO". ---------- * None of us really know whether the bombs that was dropped "were from Gadaffi or from nato" ..which resulted in the death of 2000 people. who knows...whether there were any people at all died! who knows that incident ever happened at all!! ---------- According to Lizzy Phelan's Testimony on Libya -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFvpfkUyBqE She said " It's Interesting, that the "mainstream media war" which went on early this year(Feb 2011) which claimed "Gadaffi has bombed several thousands of his own citizens".... but they never were able to produce a single picture of it. Without presenting any of it all, the NATO immediately sent their troops to Libya, saying there is an emergency ! How come the mainstream media never reported the 1.7 million Libyan ppl gathering in Tripoli(i.e 1/3rd of the entire country) to show support for Gadaffi and resistance against NATO bombing.... why would the libyan womens and teenagers take weapons and defend their country against NATO, if they dint like Libya regime?" - Lizzy Phelan. -------- Here is the venezuelan source: Hugo chavez Admits the so called "Rebels" were mercenaries Shipped by CIA into Libya through Mediterranean Sea - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balpin Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 So what would you have them do? He should have been tried under due process of law by the new government. The new administration should already have in place a government in waiting, and a police force ready to patrol the streets. Or then again, has NATO destroyed a country without ensuring these things are in place? Again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balpin Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 When gadaffi took power, he immediately removed the british and american military bases and embasies from his country. He also refused to give into central banking, IMF, and been as a longtime blockade for America to take control of the Libya's oil fields. Here is how Life in libya really looks: 1. There is no electricity bill in Libya; electricity is free for all its citizens. 2. There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at 0% interest by law. 3. Home considered a human right in Libya – Gaddafi vowed that his parents would not get a house until everyone in Libya had a home. Gaddafi’s father has died while him, his wife and his mother are still living in a tent. 4. All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 Dinar (US$ 50,000 ) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family. 5. Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25% of Libyans are literate. Today the figure is 83%. 6. If Libyans want to take up farming career, they would receive farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and livestock to kick- start their farms – all for free. 7. If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need in Libya, the government funds them to go abroad for it – not only free but they get US $2, 300/mth accommodation and car allowance. 8. In Libya, if a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidized 50% of the price. 9. The price of petrol in Libya is $0. 14 per liter. 10. Libya has no external debt and its reserves amount to $150 billion – now frozen globally 11. If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found. 12. A portion of Libyan oil sale is, credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens. 13. A mother who gave birth to a child receive US $5 ,000 14. 40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $ 0.15 15. 25% of Libyans have a university degree 16. Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project, known as the Great Man-Made River project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country. -------- Then who are these 'Rebels' ? According to many different sources - Foreign journalist in Libya( Lizzy Phelan ) and Venezeula's intelligence agency Those rebels are non-libyans shipped through Mediterrenean sea by the CIA for the so called 'Libyan revolution'. The arms these "rebels" carry around are sponsored to them by "Cia and NATO". ---------- * None of us really know whether the bombs that was dropped "were from Gadaffi or from nato" ..which resulted in the death of 2000 people. who knows...whether there were any people at all died! who knows that incident ever happened at all!! ---------- According to Lizzy Phelan's Testimony on Libya -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFvpfkUyBqE She said " It's Interesting, that the "mainstream media war" which went on early this year(Feb 2011) which claimed "Gadaffi has bombed several thousands of his own citizens".... but they never were able to produce a single picture of it. Without presenting any of it all, the NATO immediately sent their troops to Libya, saying there is an emergency ! How come the mainstream media never reported the 1.7 million Libyan ppl gathering in Tripoli(i.e 1/3rd of the entire country) to show support for Gadaffi and resistance against NATO bombing.... why would the libyan womens and teenagers take weapons and defend their country against NATO, if they dint like Libya regime?" - Lizzy Phelan. -------- Here is the venezuelan source: Hugo chavez Admits the so called "Rebels" were mercenaries Shipped by CIA into Libya through Mediterranean Sea - What a **** eh, he deserved everything he got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Hardie Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 can"t you remember when He was the darling of the trendy left ? He still is if Post 285 is anything to go by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1love Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 Its about time cameron went, blood pouring down his hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1love Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 LIE 1: “There were Human rights abuses in Libya and Gaddafi slaughtered his own people” The primary justification for intervention in Libya by NATO was because "there were severe human rights abuses" under Gaddafi's rule. These claims were in reality, far fetched and laughable, because Libya probably had far better human rights than any other country in Africa. What YOU were told by those Mainstream Media fanatics including all those so called "human rights" groups like Amnesty International (which is no doubt another front controlled by the Elite), were all either fabricated lies or deliberately exaggerated for the justified NATO intervention. This damning piece of evidence (dated 4th January 2011) from the UN Human Rights website which clearly shows undeniable proof that there was absolutely NO EVIDENCE of serious Human Right's abuses as accused by NATO and UN presently. http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/docs/16session/A-HRC-16-15.pdf Whats more, SEVERAL countries even praised Libya's excellent Human rights Track Record but they still decided to topple Gaddafi! Hypocrisy or what?! LIE 2: “The people of Libya were oppressed and were living in poverty under Gaddafi’s rule” This lie is probably the funniest, and the easiest to debunk. There was very little poverty (almost compared to Western standards) and Libya had literally the best living standards in Africa ranking 55th out of 172 countries (before NATO and Rebel interference) according to the Human Development Index - 0.755 The people in Libya under Gaddafi’s rule had: Free education, Free health care, Free farmland a house and seeds, Free energy bills, $50,000 housing money for just married couples, Interest free loans, Debt free country, Government pays half for your car, Near free gasoline prices etc. The people in Libya were oppressed MY A$$! This country sounds like the American dream which the people of America never had! And just to note, almost EVERY country in Africa today is dependent on Foreign Aid, except Libya (during Gaddafi's rule). This will be further analysed later in the thread. The Truth about Libya LIE 3: Gaddafi was responsible for the Lockerbie Bombing Libya and Gaddafi was FRAMED for the Lockerbie Bombing. END OFF. This was probably one of the EARLIEST LIES to frame Gaddafi and socially engineer the public’s perception of him. This is based on the premise that key evidence presented at the trial (e.g. timer fragment, parts from a specific radio cassette model, clothing bought in Malta, bomb suitcase originating at Luqa Airport) was deliberately fabricated by the U.S. and Britain for the "political" purpose of incriminating Libya. Why? Because of all the reasons stated above and below. Libya was bad for Big business and Big Banking, so something had to be done – like the Lockerbie Bombing, so that lies could be fabricated and Gaddafi could be demonised over the years until his death. Even though Gaddafi was never involved in the Lockerbie Bombing, recently the mainstream media is jumping around the fact that he somehow “was”. IE 4: “Gaddafi wanted to become the king of Africa and enslave all the people” On the contrary, Gaddafi wanted a more united Africa...an Africa which was independent of Western interference and exploitation. You ever wonder why the billions of $$$ in Aid never actually help the people of Africa in the long term? Because its bad for big business. Simple as that. If you start getting a stronger Africa both economically and politically, then Big Multinational Corporations would literally be BANKRUPT, DEAD and ERADICATED over night. Why? Because their business models literally WORK AND DEPEND on SLAVERY. Pay some African kid less than a dollar a day to make shoes, and then sell the shoes for $50 in the market. 5000% profit made. Most of it goes to the board of directors not because they are doing good business – but because THEY CAN benefit by exploiting the African people and smacking the “Fair Trade” label on everything so that when we the consumer buy stuff, do not have to feel guilty about buying products made in Third World Countries. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/janetdaley/3555412/Forget-Fairtrade-only-free-trade-can-help-poor.html LIE 5: “The wealth of Gaddafi will be redistributed to the people of Libya” And this is it folks, the biggest lie ever told in the history of Libya (and to the World aswell) - “The wealth of Gaddafi will be redistributed to the people of Libya”. Even if you may still have doubts whether Gaddafi was really the Good guy or not, theres no DENYING about the fact the sole reason why NATO intervened in Libya was due to Economical reasons. Why punish the banks during an economic crisis when you can easily profit from a war based on a lie? Some believe it is about protecting civilians, others say it is about oil, but some are convinced intervention in Libya is all about Gaddafi’s plan to introduce the gold dinar, a single African currency made from gold, a true sharing of the wealth. “It’s one of these things that you have to plan almost in secret, because as soon as you say you’re going to change over from the dollar to something else, you’re going to be targeted,” says Ministry of Peace founder Dr James Thring. “There were two conferences on this, in 1986 and 2000, organized by Gaddafi. Everybody was interested, most countries in Africa were keen.” Gaddafi did not give up. In the months leading up to the military intervention, he called on African and Muslim nations to join together to create this new currency that would rival the dollar and euro. They would sell oil and other resources around the world only for gold dinars. It is an idea that would shift the economic balance of the world. Saving the World Economy from Gaddafi - RT NEWS That’s right folks, Gaddafi wanted OUT of the International Banking Scam which was (still is) gripping the World. The Elite couldn’t have that, so they started a couple of false flag protests, added a pinch of Al Qaeda militants to create bloodshed to make every sap in the World believe Gaddafi was killing his people, and then finally justify military intervention in the name of “FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY”. As you can see, Libya was truly a far better country before this Illegal Civil War and NATO interference. I pray for the people in Libya now because most of this wealth of Gaddafi "being redistributed”, will mostly go to the Big Banking firms and Multinationals immediately as “debt to be paid”. And yeah, remember those words: FREEDOM AND DEMORACY. I’m sure that is something we people here in the West VERY MUCH wish to have right now. 2 Videos to watch: making more sense than MSM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9CphgEuFP0 People of libya-effected- the truth my brother. watch this video on youtube --- 'From Tripoli To Damascus To Imam Al Mahdi By Sheikh Imran Hosein' A REAL EYE OPENER... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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