MrSmith Posted October 24, 2011 Author Share Posted October 24, 2011 I beg to diifer. It's one of the key reported reasons for the church wanting the protesters to move. It says a lot about this country that so much is reported by our media using monetary terms. The more I think about it the more shocking it is in this case. Sorry you lost me, if you are saying the media are focusing on the church rather than the aims of the protesters then we agree and the way for the protesters to solve that problem would be to move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmith Posted October 24, 2011 Author Share Posted October 24, 2011 The police have moved them on from the Stock change, so they moved to St. Pauls, but the government have many voices around London and keep on telling them to move on, if only the protesters realise they have the power to collapse this government and replace the scum. Didn't the NUM try that and they lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphy Jnr Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 We do realise it. Today, UKUncut went to HM Treasury to ask for Dave Hartnett to resign. A year ago, no one apart from Private Eye readers knew of any of the deals Hartnett was doing with big business to avoid paying taxes. Today these issues are discussed on most programmes on TV & radio and decent debates. Occupy isnt going to stop. Finsbury Sq was taken on Saturday aswell. Onwards we roll....... In your opinion can the campaign keep on gathering momentum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 In your opinion can the campaign keep on gathering momentum? Its getting bigger by the day. Heres some links regarding today..... Press release: Police block entrance to HMRC as UK Uncut and Occupy London demand resignation of boss Hartnett; Vince Cable heckled Posted on Mon 24th Oct 2011, 3:32pm POLICE BLOCK ENTRANCE TO HMRC AS UK UNCUT AND OCCUPY LONDON DEMAND RESIGNATION OF BOSS HARTNETT; VINCE CABLE HECKLED For immediate release Tel: 07415063231 / Email: ukuncut@gmail.com Photos available at https://www.dropbox.com/gallery/15927156/1/Hartnett?h=65a8d7#/ Campers at Occupy London and activists from direct action group UK Uncut joined forces to descend upon the head office of Her Majesty's Revenue & Customs (HMRC) this afternoon to demand the resignation of HMRC boss Dave Hartnett [1]. Protesters- outraged at Hartnett's role in approving secret sweetheart deals to let mega-rich corporations off billions in tax- were prevented from reaching Hartnett's office by a heavy police presence. Minor scuffles ensued as police lined the main entrance to the building. Later, Business Secretary Vince Cable happened to walk past the protest. He was followed to the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills with protesters demanding the sacking of Hartnett. Hartnett was, last week, again dragged in front of parliament's Public Accounts Commitee to answer questions on dodgy deals with Vodafone and Goldman Sachs that cost the taxpayer up to £6bn and £10m respectively [2]. MPs on the committee accused Hartnett of abusing his position to "cover up his own mistakes". A survey last year found that Hartnett was Whitehall's most 'wined and dined' civil servant, treated by corporations 107 times in 3 years to top a survey of 172 senior civil servants [3]. Tory MPs and commentators from across the political spectrum have joined the call for Hartnett to resign [4] [5] [6]. Occupy London supporter Kyshia Davey said: "HMRC has just announced it will be going after 146,000 pensioners to demand hundreds of pounds from them following a tax code ****-up. Meanwhile, its boss is striking secret deals with opulent corporations to let them off billions of pounds in tax. Hartnett is fatally undermining public confidence in the UK's tax system at a time of austerity and he must resign immediately." UK Uncut activist Sam Gilbert added: "Whilst 25,000 rank-and-file staff at HMRC have been fired, leaving the organisation almost incapable of functioning, Hartnett has been carving out a career as the most 'wined and dined' civil servant in Whitehall. The money from Vodafone's £6bn tax dodge alone could have prevented all of the cuts in public services over the past year." [1] http://www.ukuncut.org.uk/blog/time-to-resign [2] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/8832473/Hartnett-pledges-to-answer-questions-on-odd-tax-deals.html [3] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/7833886/Whitehalls-most-wined-and-dined-civil-servant-is-HMRCs-Dave-Hartnett.html [4] http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/oct/23/tax-avoidance-goldman-dave-hartnett?CMP=twt_iph [5] http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2051131/The-man-taxes-belief-fair-play.html?ito [6] http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/oct/23/tax-dodging-goldman-sachs-greece?newsfeed=true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azazel666 Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 I wouldn't be on the side of the protesters if their actions cause St Paul's to close. I will be on the side of the protesters if they continue to protest peacefully and the Bishop chooses to close the Cathedral. There is a difference in the two. So as the Bishop may have to close the cathedral as independent health and safety advice says it is a fire risk, you agree with me they should move the heck on. Glad we agree, but why did we waste time discussing it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 So as the Bishop may have to close the cathedral as independent health and safety advice says it is a fire risk, you agree with me they should move the heck on. Glad we agree, but why did we waste time discussing it? The fire service have stated publicly that there are NO H&S risks at the site. The Occupy group have asked the Bishop for the H&S info that states otherwise, and they have not come up with this for the last 48hours. They are now looking very shaky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Sleeps Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Glad we agree, but why did we waste time discussing it? Making up conclusions isn't a discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 So as the Bishop may have to close the cathedral as independent health and safety advice says it is a fire risk, you agree with me they should move the heck on. Glad we agree, but why did we waste time discussing it? Taken from Occupy webbie...... Statement from OccupyLSX Posted on October 21, 2011 by occupylsx 177 We are disappointed to learn that that the management of St Paul’s have decided to close the Cathedral this afternoon, in their open letter regarding our peaceful occupation that aims to highlight and challenge the social and economic injustice in the UK and beyond. Since the beginning of the occupation six days ago, OccupyLSX have tried hard to accommodate the Cathedral’s concerns in any way we can. Over the past 48 hours, we have completely re-organised the camp in response to feedback from the Fire Brigade and we have also accepted the presence of two large barriers to preserve access to the side door of the Cathedral. Both of these measures were accepted by the General Assembly in order that the Cathedral’s normal operations should not be unduly impacted by our presence. This afternoon we have been told, in a telephone call, by the fire brigade, that they have not issued any new requirements above and beyond those already communicated directly to the camp. Therefore, there are no outstanding fire safety issues. What outstanding issues there are appear to be concerned with, firstly, health and safety and, secondly, the Cathedral’s commercial concerns. We seek clarification from the Cathedral as to the precise nature of those health and safety concerns, so that we might address them directly. In the short space of time that we have been here, we have successfully liaised with the City authorities and outside bodies to coordinate recycling and sanitation. As to the Cathedral’s commercial concerns, access to the restaurant has never been blocked by the encampment. The closure of the restaurant, by the Cathedral, has mystified us, especially as it came at the same time as we encouraged our people to use and support the restaurant. We would much prefer to eat there than in some of the nearby chains. We believe the Cathedral is also concerned about their visitor numbers. We have endeavoured to ensure that our schedule does not conflict with the Cathedral’s, so that their normal operations are not impaired. Clearly, we have become another tourist attraction on the Cathedral’s doorstep – but, since we are not a commercial concern, we are struggling to understand how we have had any financial impact on the Cathedral’s revenues. We also understand that some individuals were in the process of arranging for a contribution to be made to St Paul’s in recognition of their hospitality. It is a shame the Cathedral authorities have decided to take this action before those preparations came to fruition, as we expected them to in the next 12 hours. Over the course of this week, we have done a huge amount to draw attention to the crisis of economic and political legitimacy experienced in the UK and mirrored in protests staged across the world. That awareness-raising exercise – and our attempts to provide a truly participatory and accountable forum in which to investigate ways forward – will continue. Update – 4pm We have been advised by Health and Safety Manager Rachel Sambal that the City of London’s Health and Safety Team have had no contact with St Paul’s Cathedral regarding health and safety issues at the site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphy Jnr Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 It's nice to hear the other side of the story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 It's nice to hear the other side of the story Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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