MrSmith Posted October 27, 2011 Author Share Posted October 27, 2011 Coming up with a credible growth strategy while at the same time reducing the deficit and persuading the government to run with it would make a difference. A bunch of the usual suspects camping in front a a catherdral is just wasting everyones time and will achieve absolutely nothing except inconveniencing the cathedral staff. You would think if the people camping were smart enough to solve the world’s problems they would be smart enough to earn enough money to pay for somewhere to live instead of being homeless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmith Posted October 27, 2011 Author Share Posted October 27, 2011 There are no credible growth strategies I'm afraid. There is only defecit - nothing else exists. The demonstration won't directly change policy, but only you seem to think people believe that it will. But the fact that we're here discussing it is a change that wouldn't have been effected had the protest not happened. And if we're discussing it, you can bet millions of others are doing exactly the same thing. Building awareness. We were discussing it before the demonstration happened but now we are discussing a group of campers occupying the grounds of St Pauls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 How do you know? Read todays articles. Read tonights interview with Rev Giles Fraser. Do you honestly believe that the Church changed its mind after 5 days, because all of a sudden they didnt like the protesters? BTW. St Paul was a tent-maker. Ironic in the circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 You would think if the people camping were smart enough to solve the world’s problems they would be smart enough to earn enough money to pay for somewhere to live instead of being homeless. Who says any of the protesters are homeless? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phanerothyme Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 We were discussing it before the demonstration happened but now we are discussing a group of campers occupying the grounds of St Pauls. The point of these things is to build awareness and stimulate more action. It's all within a long British tradition of civil disobedience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 We were discussing it before the demonstration happened but now we are discussing a group of campers occupying the grounds of St Pauls. Whether its Question Time, Radio, Channel 4 news tonight, Newsnight, this demonstration puts this debate in the media circle. UK Uncut are 1 year old today. In the last 12 months, they have risen awareness on the tax avoidance so the common man is starting to understand the robbery that is being committed daily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmith Posted October 27, 2011 Author Share Posted October 27, 2011 Who says any of the protesters are homeless? The protester on a link that I think was provided by you. Sorry not you it was RichJay http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/oct/26/occupy-london-tents-rubbish-science Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Sleeps Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 In my opinion it is an inherent weakness in Christianity, but it is convenient in this context; for Christ was a true egalitarian. He saw all people as equal. It was this thought that sparked protestantism, a protest against the power and wealth of Rome. See any patterns in this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andygardener Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 The point of these things is to build awareness and stimulate more action. It's all within a long British tradition of civil disobedience. There is a proud long tradition of civil disobedience prior to universal suffrage. After it there is a considerabley less proud tradition of civil disobedience which costs masses of taxpayers money to police and has led to absolutely bugger all difference in what happens. From the general strike, through the miners strikes countless marches and demos not one has changed policy one jot. The "we back enoch" mob didn't stop immigration, the miners marchers didn't stop the mines closing and the CA march did not preserve fox hunting. The only issue since universal suffrage when protests can be said to have been on the side that made a government change policy and that was because the vast majority of voters opposed the poll tax and the tories realised they would lose masses of votes, not because some people chucked bricks at the police. In a democracy change does not come from white guys with dreadlocks waving placards and getting in the way of the public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 There is a proud long tradition of civil disobedience prior to universal suffrage. After it there is a considerabley less proud tradition of civil disobedience which costs masses of taxpayers money to police and has led to absolutely bugger all difference in what happens. From the general strike, through the miners strikes countless marches and demos not one has changed policy one jot. The "we back enoch" mob didn't stop immigration, the miners marchers didn't stop the mines closing and the CA march did not preserve fox hunting. The only issue since universal suffrage when protests can be said to have been on the side that made a government change policy and that was because the vast majority of voters opposed the poll tax and the tories realised they would lose masses of votes, not because some people chucked bricks at the police. In a democracy change does not come from white guys with dreadlocks waving placards and getting in the way of the public. Well lets just hope we prove you wrong in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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