Protesters camped at St Pauls

[Adrians Lad]

 

Do you support the right to peaceful protest?

 

I support the courts right to remove people illegally occupying private land.

 

Do you ?

[Halibut]

I support the courts right to remove people illegally occupying private land.

 

Do you ?

 

I asked first.

[Adrians Lad]

I asked first.

 

I support anyone to peacefully protest on THEIR OWN land.............. NOT someone elses where they are there illegally.

 

Now ,your turn

[Chris_Sleeps]

So, that makes it ok to protest on private land whilst ignoring requests to move?

It is hard to answer, but my gut instinct tells me that they aren't doing anything wrong. It is a moral argument to me, not a legal one.

 

If all protest was limited to the land that people owned themselves, or communal land, then a whole history of protest becomes impossible. In America the Civil Rights Movement would never have done any of their sit-ins. Where they wrong to protest on someone else's property?

[Fine line]

I support anyone to peacefully protest on THEIR OWN land.............. NOT someone elses where they are there illegally.

 

Now ,your turn

 

Don't hold your breath.

[Adrians Lad]

Don't hold your breathe.

 

Im not :hihi:

[Agent Orange]

It is hard to answer, but my gut instinct tells me that they aren't doing anything wrong. It is a moral argument to me, not a legal one.

 

If all protest was limited to the land that people owned themselves, or communal land, then a whole history of protest becomes impossible. In America the Civil Rights Movement would never have done any of their sit-ins. Where they wrong to protest on someone else's property?

 

You might think not, but:

 

Constructive trespass

 

A constructive trespass occurs when a person who has permission to be on the land overstays their welcome. A person who stays in a business after its closing time, or who goes to a dinner party but refuses to leave long after the other guests have gone home, is a trespasser despite his initially proper presence. Furthermore, a guest's status as a trespasser arises as soon as he resists the property owner's command for him to leave the property. This is not a constructive trespass if the guest is unconscious.

 

So, in the eyes of the law, they are doing wrong.

[green]

Occupiers list of demands....taken from the Guardian website.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/oct/28/occupy-london-city-st-pauls

 

Activists who have occupied the grounds of London's St Paul's Cathedral have published their first list of demands, calling call for the democratisation of the Corporation of the City of London, the effective local authority which controls the UK's financial centre.

 

The attack on the square mile which has a series of ancient prerogatives including a "lobbyist" in the House of Commons follows Thursday's resignation of the canon chancellor, Giles Fraser, who also attacked the power of the City in an interview with the Guardian.

 

The statement has been signed by over half of the hundreds of activists at the Occupy London Stock Exchange protest.

 

The page-long list of demands says that democratic reform of The City Of London Corporation is "urgently needed" and describes City institutions as "unconstitutional and unfair".

 

The statement, which has been authored by 17 people over the last six days, also calls for an end to the corporations's own police force and judicial system which affords the square mile vast amounts of freedom to run its own affairs.

 

"The risk-taking of the banks has made our lives precarious – they are accountable to no one but themselves, unduly influencing government policy across the centuries both at home and abroad. This is not democracy," the statement adds.

 

The list, which is expected to be ratified before publication at a general meeting at 1.30pm on Friday, also called for:

 

• An end to business and corporate block-votes in all council elections, which can be used to outvote local residents.

 

• Abolition of existing "secrecy practices" within the City, and total and transparent reform of its institutions to end corporate tax evasion.

 

• The decommissioning of the City of London police with officers being brought under the jurisdiction of the Metropolitan police force.

 

• Abolition of the offices of Lord Mayor of London, the Sheriffs and the Aldermen.

 

• And a truth and reconciliation commission to examine corruption within the City and its institutions.

 

The statement has garnered support from authors and Blue Labour thinker Lord Maurice Glasman.

 

Glasman said: "Until today, the reclamation of the public space around St Paul's by protesters has been confused … It was better theatre than politics and that was frustrating because the backdrop, props and themes were superb."

 

Glasman said that St Paul's Cross was the site of the most ancient known democratic practice in the UK and it was the most appropriate spot to make a claim for the extension of citizenship.

 

"By declaring that the point of their protest is the democratisation of London the meaning of the occupation is transformed. It opens a prospect for civic renewal and the challenging of unaccountable power elites.

 

"The protesters have stumbled upon the source of financial power within the British state. This could get interesting," he added.

 

Nicholas Shaxson – the author of Treasure Islands, a book about the world of tax evasion – described the demands as "incredibly powerful".

 

"The City is something that has flown under the radar for so long, people have occasionally noticed the pomp and ceremony of the City but never really grasped what it is. This is a medieval commune dating back 1,000 years which represents the interest of international finance."

 

Shaxson added: "If you go to the City they will say, 'We're just a poor little local authority with a few thousands souls – don't worry about us.' But their influence runs far and deep both in the UK and overseas and they have supporters all over the place. They're not going to go away any time soon."

 

In an earlier interview with the Guardian, the St Paul's canon chancellor Giles Fraser said: "A great many people think that something has gone wrong in the City of London and that the wealth generated by the City does not exist for the benefit of us all."

 

Bryn Phillips, 28, a camp member who works in PR and is a co-author of the statement, said he hoped this would be "the beginning of the restoration of our democracy".

 

"It was drafted by 17 of us over six days and it has gathered even more signatures since we last spoke. We refuse to be evicted without first landing a blow to the corporation."

[Chris_Sleeps]

So, in the eyes of the law, they are doing wrong.

I know, that wasn't my point. My point was that sometimes it could be considered okay, morally, when that law is being broken. It's difficult to say, because in another context I could equally disagree with it. The KKK invading a black church and refusing to go home, for example, I would say is wrong.

 

A complex issue.

[love_rat]

Does anyone fancy coming down at the weekend to support this protest?

 

There are a some people in their 20s and 30s will be setting up camp and adding there voice to the protest.

 

We just bought a couple of tents from Decathlon, our parents will pack us up with salmon sandwiches, prawns, a few slices of chocolate gateaux, and I am aware of a couple of costa coffees in the area. We got some warm coats from the Armarni Shop as well as some trainers

 

We could spend the night at one of the local 4 star hotels if the tents get uncomfortable, our mums will give us some spending money for this.

 

Come on gang, lets make some noise.

 

Lets protest against capitalism and force the rich to pay.