MPs Debate for Europe

[mj.scuba]

It won't get through, but then there is no free vote on this. I cannot see how not allowing the people to have their say is in any way justifiable, but hopefully tonight wil be a stepping stone of sorts towards an eventual exit from the EU. An actual referendum would have been years away anyway.

[tinfoilhat]

True to a point but its not like waiting until the next general election so you can have a say onthe eu unless you vote for some nutters like the bnp. I'm on the fence and others won't give two hoots but considering the level of money it costs ( and that isn't getting cut is it ?) we should, at some stage, be allowed a say.

[L00b]

It'd actually be quite good, as it would near-instantly deflate quite a lot of enduring local property and investment bubbles throughout the EU.

 

See, when the UK exits, bilateral taxation agreements established with other EU member States will be automatically resiliated and need re-negotiating anew. That last bit will likely take quite some time, under the circumstances -and timing- of the UK exit

 

It should be quite funny to see all those UK people who have bought properties and invested in the EU get the shock of their lives, when they get their first 'leveraged' tax bill established from the first € of estate/gain (at least, for those with property/estate/investment in France, that's how it will work). Cue much quick-selling, and likely some proper bargains to be had if you can 'domicile' yourself there, personally or by proxy.

[Stepman]

It'd actually be quite good, as it would near-instantly deflate quite a lot of enduring local property and investment bubbles throughout the EU.

 

See, when the UK exits, bilateral taxation agreements established with other EU member States will be automatically resiliated and need re-negotiating anew. That last bit will likely take quite some time, under the circumstances -and timing- of the UK exit

 

It should be quite funny to see all those UK people who have bought properties and invested in the EU get the shock of their lives, when they get their first 'leveraged' tax bill established from the first € of estate/gain (at least, for those with property/estate/investment in France, that's how it will work). Cue much quick-selling, and likely some proper bargains to be had if you can 'domicile' yourself there, personally or by proxy.

 

 

 

It would not work like that.

[andyofborg]

It would not work like that.

 

why wouldn't it?

[Stepman]

why wouldn't it?

 

Why would it? Property prices prior to the downturn were overvalued by 40%. Whichever path any government chooses in the future will see a correction to this.

[I1L2T3]

Believe it or not, people want a referendum, and they don't only consist of 'right wing neocons'.

 

If our MPs don't back it, they're cowards.

 

Spot on.

 

Regardless of the rights or wrongs of staying in denying the people the right to have a say when they so clearly want to have a say is a huge political mistake.

[Stepman]

Spot on.

 

Regardless of the rights or wrongs of staying in denying the people the right to have a say when they so clearly want to have a say is a huge political mistake.

 

But if we look at the voting record of the electorate over the years they always get it wrong. They have not voted for the correct party since Harold Wilson got into power!

[I1L2T3]

But if we look at the voting record of the electorate over the years they always get it wrong. They have not voted for the correct party since Harold Wilson got into power!

 

That may be. You would have to hope the referendum campaign would do the job of steering the public in the right direction. And if they said yes the exit from EU would not be a guaranteed thing - things could change to prevent it happening.

[Stepman]

That may be. You would have to hope the referendum campaign would do the job of steering the public in the right direction. And if they said yes the exit from EU would not be a guaranteed thing - things could change to prevent it happening.

 

So you think that during the referendum campaign the politicians would tell the truth and lead us down the correct path? Who knows, maybe some politicians would get all honest and become genuine and forthright and change the habits of a life time.

Personally I doubt it.