truman Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/cameron-ill-give-power-to-the-petition-1893322.html "Under a Conservative government, 100,000 signatures on a petition will be enough to guarantee a debate in the House of Commons. A million signatures will give the organisers the right to put legislation in front of the Commons which MPs WILL have to vote on. You've answered your own question...you need 100,000 or a million signatures..it's not a percentage .. just an absolute number.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe9T Posted October 25, 2011 Author Share Posted October 25, 2011 No it's simple 100,000 signatures are needed and the issue will be debated in the House of Commons. It's not a certain percentage needed or any other figure, it is 100,000. But 100'000 signatures is 0.16% of the population! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 But 100'000 signatures is 0.16% of the population! But the wording is for a particular number..not a percentage..are you really trying to say that a petition from sheffield with 800 or so signatures should get a debate in parliament? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supertramp Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 Well 800 odd signatures is not 100,000 so stop banging on about it. Why would they debate such a local issue in the House of Commons. The 3 issues to have reached 100,000 so far since the rule about being discussed in parliament are: > Hillsborough - approved > Rioters to receive reduced benefits - Housing benefits etc has been cut by the individual councils and Ian Duncan Smith is working on other benefit reductions too. > A fuel stabiliser - yet to be debated. So 2 out of 2 have gone through and the 3rd yet to be debated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElasticMan Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 But 100'000 signatures is 0.16% of the population! So what? That's totally irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe9T Posted October 25, 2011 Author Share Posted October 25, 2011 You've answered your own question...you need 100,000 or a million signatures..it's not a percentage .. just an absolute number.. But that is based on the whole of the UK and just happens to equate to 0.16% of the entire population. Obviously it would be nigh on impossible to gain 100,000 signatures for a cause, if that cause only concerned a certain area not the whole nation. In that case, a percentage of that area should be the same and if it equated to 0.16% of that areas population, then a debate locally should be taken place in Council chambers. For example... lets say there was a petition to save a park or school that was going to be built-on or demished, that only would concern that Council Area, really, and to expect 100,000 signatures aginst the plans would be almost impossible to achieve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe9T Posted October 25, 2011 Author Share Posted October 25, 2011 But the wording is for a particular number..not a percentage..are you really trying to say that a petition from sheffield with 800 or so signatures should get a debate in parliament? No, but I would expect it to have the same force as 100,000 signatures for the whole of the country, so long as those signatures were all from that particular area concerned. And if 0.16% signatures were gained then at least that area Concil should debate it locally, as it would only concern local people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 But that is based on the whole of the UK and equates to 0.16% of the entire population. Obviously it would be nigh on impossible to gain 100,000 signatures for a cause, if that cause only concerned a certain area not the whole nation. In that case, a percentage of that area should be the same and if it equated to 0.16% of that areas population, then a debate locally should be taken place in Council chambers. For example... lets say there was a petition to save a park or school that was going to be built-on or demished, that only would concern that Council Area, really, and to expect 100,000 signatures aginst the plans would be almost impossible to achieve. You need to approach local councillors for local decisions such as this...to take it to it's limit you're saying that a petition with one signature would be enough to provoke debate about something that only affected one street... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe9T Posted October 25, 2011 Author Share Posted October 25, 2011 You need to approach local councillors for local decisions such as this...to take it to it's limit you're saying that a petition with one signature would be enough to provoke debate about something that only affected one street... But that is what is happening nationally with just 100,000 signatures for a population of 60 million. So why not locally, if it only concerned local people. Some cities don't even have 100,000 as a population. A percentage is a percentage and if there were only 1000 people living in the whole of the UK, 0.16% of that would be less than 2 persons. It's exactly the same as 100,000 for a population of 60 milion. exactlythe same force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mj.scuba Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 Wel, ok, that would be suffice. I think it should, but would it? Would the Council debate, if a petiiton gained the same percentage in their Council run area, as the House of Commons would debate if 100'000 signatures were gained for the whole of the UK population? Well the 891 would be a bit obscure, best to set it to something like 1000. Good idea though, get on to your concillor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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