Joe9T Posted October 25, 2011 Author Share Posted October 25, 2011 Well the 891 would be a bit obscure, best to set it to something like 1000. Good idea though, get on to your concillor. Thanks mj.scuba. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fake Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/cameron-ill-give-power-to-the-petition-1893322.html "Under a Conservative government, 100,000 signatures on a petition will be enough to guarantee a debate in the House of Commons. A million signatures will give the organisers the right to put legislation in front of the Commons which MPs WILL have to vote on. The wording of that is slightly wrong as it should say MP's CAN vote on and not "have to vote on." MP's do not have to vote on anything as they can abstain which means no vote is cast. I should also add that even if they do vote any decision is not binding and can be ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe9T Posted October 25, 2011 Author Share Posted October 25, 2011 The wording of that is slightly wrong as it should say MP's CAN vote on and not "have to vote on." MP's do not have to vote on anything as they can abstain which means no vote is cast. Yes, but i think they are obliged to be there to abstain if they do so wish. They can't just not turn up, i believe. It would be interesting to clarify that though. It is meant to rebuild trust in politics... and if MP's just simply decided to abstain or even not turn up, it would make a joke out of what David Cameron had said. "Mr Cameron, speaking yesterday (08/02/2010) at East London University on how to rebuild trust in politics, argued that as well as cleaning up Parliament, politicians have to find ways to engage people more in the political process. He added: "It's absurd that a tiny percentage of the population craft legislation that will apply to 100 per cent of the population. Instead of locking people out of this process, we need to invite them in. "So we'll create a right of initiative nationally, where any petition that collects 100,000 signatures will be eligible to be formally debated in the House of Commons. Any petition with a million signatures will allow members of the public to table a Bill that could end up being debated and voted on by MPs." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andygardener Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 Yes, but i think they are obliged to be there to abstain if they do so wish. They can't just not turn up, i believe. They can and do just not turn up. As you would expect senior ministers often don't have the time to show up for all but high profile votes, northern irish mps due to logistics and the fact that many votes don't concern ulster and there are plenty of mps who are just plain lazy and rarely show up. The guardian did some stats which showed one labour backbencher Roger Godsiff had attended just 11.5% of all votes while some mps had attened 100% of votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Yes, but i think they are obliged to be there to abstain if they do so wish. They can't just not turn up, i believe. MP's can turn up to vote or not as they wish... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe9T Posted October 26, 2011 Author Share Posted October 26, 2011 MP's can turn up to vote or not as they wish... Wo says? Are you an MP? Where's your proof? Back it up! It is meant to rebuild trust in politics and MP's deliberately refusing to vote or not even turning up makes a mockery AND a farce out of the reason for "right of initiative." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Wo says? Are you an MP? Where's your proof? Back it up! It is meant to rebuild trust in politics and MP's deliberately refusing to vote or not even turning up makes a mockery of the reason for "right of initiative." You think every MP turns up to vote for everything? Look at Diane Abbott's voting history for example..see how many times she was absent.. http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/mp.php?mpid=40289&dmp=1053 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe9T Posted October 26, 2011 Author Share Posted October 26, 2011 Are there any Council members on here that could answer whether MPs can just simply not turn up or abstain, without good reason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Are there any Council members on here that could answer whether MPs can just simply not turn up or abstain, without good reason? look at my post above... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe9T Posted October 26, 2011 Author Share Posted October 26, 2011 You think every MP turns up to vote for everything? Look at Diane Abbott's voting history for example..see how many times she was absent.. http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/mp.php?mpid=40289&dmp=1053 She has not attended on 27 occasions out of SEVENTY from 2001 to 2010. That is an absent rate of just 38.5%, compared to 61.5% attendance rate!!! EDIT: the link you showed only concerned her attendance on terrorism laws!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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