denlin Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 If you had a walk round Parsons Cross or Shiregreen at night you would be convinced that aliens are among us:hihi::hihi: Get's coat:D:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassman62 Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 If you had a walk round Parsons Cross or Shiregreen at night you would be convinced that aliens are among us:hihi::hihi: Get's coat:D:D Or reverse evolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadingNorth Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Why haven't you said the same about the creationist theory? Creationism isn't a theory. It is entirely based on the argument that the Universe cannot exist without something having caused it - which is exactly the infinite regressive loop that we were talking about to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadingNorth Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Isn't it only senseless due to no one knowing the answer? No, it cannot have an answer because it is meaningless. Although it looks like a perfectly reasonable and sensible question, when you analyze it you find it makes as much sense as "how much does justice weigh?" There is no meaning in the question, therefore it cannot have an answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0742Sheff Posted October 29, 2011 Author Share Posted October 29, 2011 Do you believe everything on television and never do any research yourself. ? What has TV got to do with anything? Unfortunately i don't own my own satellite that is deep in space. Nor do i own the necessary equipment to decipher the information coming back in from such a satellite, so no, i do not conduct my own scientific research in to the creation of the universe at this moment in time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fake Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Time is a product of this Universe. It cannot have existed when the Universe did not. No that's just one understanding. As stated there could also be multiple universes created by big-bangs or other ways in which this universe was created. Up until recently the speed of light was meant to be a constant and yet recent results have show it may not be, theories change and adapt. The universe is a product of the big bang and that big bang (in theory) came from a singularity. A singularity I believe is highly compressed matter in an infinitely small space or point in space-time. In order for that singularity to be compressed and then go bang and then expand there must have been a time frame. There must also have been a time frame to get that singularity of compressed matter/energy there in the first place. Atoms don't exist unless there is a time frame and as the singularity was made up of atoms time must have already been in existence. Another problem is that in order to get a singularity the maths require infinity to be multiplied by infinity which is not possible as all you get is infinity. So what we know so far is that the maths is wrong and that in order for the standard model to work unknown quantities that are dark matter and dark energy need to be introduced. Its called "dark" as no one has yet seen or detected it. Its a fudge to get the standard model to work, and a big one at that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danot Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 Creationism isn't a theory. It is entirely based on the argument that the Universe cannot exist without something having caused it - which is exactly the infinite regressive loop that we were talking about to begin with.The quantum fluctuation theory is entirely based on the argument that quantum fluctuations aren't a product of anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadingNorth Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 The quantum fluctuation theory is entirely based on the argument that quantum fluctuations aren't a product of anything. Exactly. Thus distinguishing it from creationism, which insists that everything must be a product of something and then claims that God isn't a product of anything. Quantum fluctuation theory does not insist that everything must be a product of something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danot Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 Exactly. Thus distinguishing it from creationism, which insists that everything must be a product of something and then claims that God isn't a product of anything. Quantum fluctuation theory does not insist that everything must be a product of something. Don't follow!! The religious don't claim that God must be a product of something; they're not concerned with the infinite regressive loop contradiction, it's the likes of Richard Dawkins and Laurence Krauss who claim the creationism theory is flawed due to the infinite regressive loop contradiction, but then you'll see them on youtube holding seminars claiming the universe could have been created from nothing as quantum fluctuations aren't a product of anything. Which begs the question- Why would God need to be a product of something if quantum fluctuations didn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadingNorth Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 The religious don't claim that God must be a product of something Exactly. They insist that the Universe cannot exist without a Creator, because all things which exist must be a product of something; they then argue that the Creator, which exists, does not need to be a product of something, which contradicts their own argument. Scientists just accept that the Universe exists, without demanding that it must be a product of something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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