Halibut Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 I've nothing against progress, I just find the general line or argument of cosmology conceited. :hihi: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danot Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 There isn't a how to understand and there is no reason to understand. There is no reason for the universe to exist it just does. Science will eventually understand most of things that shape it and change it, but there is nothing to understand about how or why it is here. It just is, always as been and always will be. Again, this sounds like something a religious person would say about God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phanerothyme Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Our ability to observe the universe is the equivalent to being locked inside a box which has a keyhole that we can peak through. On peaking though the keyhole we're able to see millions of similar boxes which all appear to be travelling away from us at a uniform distance from one another at an exponential rate. Beyond these boxes, as far as we're capable of to seeing, is empty space, beyond the empty space is a solid wall of static interference. Anything after this point in speculation. Because it claims to know what can and what can't exists beyond the static wall. You're talking about the current limits of the observable universe, not of human comprehension. Surely that's obvious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danot Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 You cant or wont as its a very simple question and one debated by cosmologists and scientists including Einstein and Hawking. It also ties in and is important in answering your above questions. How can there be a definitive answer to what the state of the universe is if we don't know where the universe ends? As I asked before- What proportion of the universe are we still unaware of? Until we can answer this question we can't give a definitive answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danot Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Almost everything. :hihi: Do you really believe that this is supporting your position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmith Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Again, this sounds like something a religious person would say about God. What is God? Religious people say for something complex to exist it must have a creator. I disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danot Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 You're talking about the current limits of the observable universe, not of human comprehension. Surely that's obvious? What!!? Our ability to comprehend the nature of the universe is in direct correlation with the current limits of the observable universe. Surely that's even more obvious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danot Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 What is God?God is something complex. Posted by MrSmith Religious people say for something complex to exists it must have a creator. I disagree. Religious people have never said "God" must have a creator. They say "God" created everything. Like you, they believe something as complex as "God" doesn't need a creator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadingNorth Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Religious people have never said "God" must have a creator. They say "God" created everything. Like you, they believe something as complex as "God" doesn't need a creator. Which is a direct contradiction of their reason for invoking a god in the first place - their claim that things must have a creator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmith Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 God is something complex. Religious people have never said "God" must have a creator. They say "God" created everything. Like you, they believe something as complex as "God" doesn't need a creator. But they contradict themselves by saying one complex thing needs a creator whilst something more complex doesn't need a creator. So actually they think more along your train of thought, they can't comprehend that something can exist without being created or caused much like you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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