danot Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Neither. In order for something to happen, there has to be a place for it to happen and sufficient time for it to do so. Neither time nor space even existed before the Big Bang event; they are products of that event. Terry Pratchett refers to this in his Discworld series as "the modern method of creating universes, which is to take nothing whatsoever and split it in half." It's as good a description as any since, by definition, no thing can exist until after the Big Bang event has taken place. Something clearly did exist before the big bang event. We just don't have an explanation for what it was. In order for something to have happened, there had to be a moment directly before it happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockjaw Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 In order for something to have happened, there had to be a moment directly before it happened. Why? ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadingNorth Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 In order for something to have happened, there had to be a moment directly before it happened. That's a logical impossibility; it leads to an infinite loop, since nothing can ever have been the first event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert_Baehr Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 None of us originated on earth. We are stardust. (We are golden. - And we've got to get ourselves back to the garden.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halibut Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Something clearly did exist before the big bang event. We just don't have an explanation for what it was. In order for something to have happened, there had to be a moment directly before it happened. There's no empirical evidence or logical reason to believe that this is the case. Why do you believe this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassman62 Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 There's no empirical evidence or logical reason to believe that this is the case. Why do you believe this? Why don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halibut Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Why don't you? Why don't I what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassman62 Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Originally Posted by Halibut There's no empirical evidence or logical reason to believe that this is the case. Why do you believe this? Why don't I what? The above..................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halibut Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 The above..................... Sorry old man, you've lost me there. Can I respectfully suggest you practice thinking and reading and stuff like that? Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassman62 Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Sorry old man, you've lost me there. Can I respectfully suggest you practice thinking and reading and stuff like that? Cheers. Have you contrbuted to the topic yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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