danot Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Precisely. The assumption that something must cause it to exist leads to an infinite regressive loop; Thing A must have existed, in order for the Universe to have come from it; Thing B must have existed, in order for Thing A to have come from it; Thing C must have existed, in order for Thing B... Thing D... ....and so on endlessly, which is clearly nonsensical. If things have always existed forever, then you would still need to explain what caused them to have always existed forever. It's illogical to apply logic to something that we know to be way beyond human comprehension, something that isn't governed by the universal laws of physics but conflicts with what we now know and understanding about the universal laws of physics. It's illogical to expect the findings of our logical reasoning to make logical sense or to expect the findings to be in accordance with what we know and understanding about the universal laws of physics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Total Chaos Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Any alien with a scrap of common sense would avoid this planet like the plague. Not these ones. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3761177/UFO-over-motorway-brin-broad-daylight.html http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3886122/Alien-filmed-in-Brazil-rainforest.html http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3660007/UFOs-seen-in-sky-over-London.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellacraft Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 According to popular theroy aparently the 'Big Crunch' where the universe will collapse back itself won't happen, due to Dark Matter/Dark Energy. The universe expansion is actually speeding up and scientists believe this is caused by Dark Matter which is basically pushing all matter in the universe away from each other. They have named this 'The Big Freeze', where instead of falling back on itself, heating up and then exploding, it will just all evaporate and die away as the stars and galaxies drift further apart and eventually die. This also plays into the hands nicely of the string theroists as this means that even though the universe will eventually be a cold, empty space, the whole process will start over again when the branes eventually collide again. Current theroy is that there may be an infinate number of branes that exist in this area (I cant remember exactly what term they use). So the question would then be, what exists outside THAT?? Sheesh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadingNorth Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 It's illogical to apply logic No it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barleycorn Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 According to popular theroy aparently the 'Big Crunch' where the universe will collapse back itself won't happen, due to Dark Matter/Dark Energy. The universe expansion is actually speeding up and scientists believe this is caused by Dark Matter which is basically pushing all matter in the universe away from each other. They have named this 'The Big Freeze', where instead of falling back on itself, heating up and then exploding, it will just all evaporate and die away as the stars and galaxies drift further apart and eventually die. This also plays into the hands nicely of the string theroists as this means that even though the universe will eventually be a cold, empty space, the whole process will start over again when the branes eventually collide again. Current theroy is that there may be an infinate number of branes that exist in this area (I cant remember exactly what term they use). So the question would then be, what exists outside THAT?? Sheesh! Theory. jb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danot Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 No it isn't.I've already explained why I believe it is, would you care to explain why you believe I'm wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassman62 Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Quote: Originally Posted by Halibut There's no empirical evidence or logical reason to believe that this is the case. Why do you believe this? There is also no evidence or logical reason to believe this isn't the case is there? Exactly and to the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Shaw Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 It's turtles all the way down, or is it? No. Hasn't this thread tortoise a lesson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickw Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Big Bang what about the Balloon Theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Shaw Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Big Bang what about the Balloon Theory. Needs a balloon debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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