Supertramp Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 It's because it fits with agenda of the Rich get tax cuts and the poor have to pay. Why don't they say how much cold hard cash they paid in VAT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 The significant change over the period was the introduction of VAT on domestic fuel in April 1994. Since it has been levied at a reduced rate of 5.0 per cent since September 1997 (and 8.0 per cent between April 1994 and August 1997) it accounted for less than 3 per cent of average household VAT in 2009/10. I'd agree with anyone saying that it shouldn't be charged on domestic fuel though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 Interesting that the BBC missed this though The increase between 1986 and 2009/10, in the proportion of average household expenditure on VATable items, suggests that there were changes in the composition of household spending over the period. In particular, poorer households in 1986 spent a smaller proportion of their expenditure, than poorer households in 2009/10, on discretionary items which attracted VAT. For example, after taking into account changes in prices, the poorest fifth of households spent, on average, around 250 per cent more on new cars, holidays abroad, meals out, audio/visual goods (including TVs) and photographic equipment combined, in 2009/10 than in 1986. This is compared with an increase of 20 per cent for the richest households. Let me help the BBC out. The poor are now richer than they were 15 years ago and able to spend more on luxury goods which attract VAT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conrod Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 Perhaps this thread should be renamed: "Why do some people on low incomes spend too much of their money on booze and fags when they should be concentrating on food and sensible VAT-free essential purchases for their families?". Or "Shock horror, people who earn more have more cash left at the end of the month if they don't spend it all". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnvqsos Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15519727 The likes of Cyclone, Conrod et al. on here also argue that VAT is a progressive tax. Yet evidence coming out now, proves this now to be to the contrary. In which case their economic awareness is sub-GCSE level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampersand Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 Leaving aside the fact that the title of the post could have been written by a Daily Express headline writer in that the OP doesn't actually say what the title says, VAT is, always was, and always will be a regressive tax. If I buy something VATable at £12, £2 of my income has been spent on VAT - if my income is £200, that is 1% - if my income is £100 it is 2% - the lower my income the higher the proportion I am spending on tax - what is there not to understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnvqsos Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 Leaving aside the fact that the title of the post could have been written by a Daily Express headline writer in that the OP doesn't actually say what the title says, VAT is, always was, and always will be a regressive tax. If I buy something VATable at £12, £2 of my income has been spent on VAT - if my income is £200, that is 1% - if my income is £100 it is 2% - the lower my income the higher the proportion I am spending on tax - what is there not to understand? You have made it crystal clear-excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alchresearch Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 So poor people pay more VAT. Richer people (ie on 30K a year or more) pay more in income tax. Even richer people spend more on road tax and fuel for their gas guzzlers. Or is it a case of "tough, they can afford it"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mj.scuba Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 The poorer people are spending more of their money on VAT accruing items as a % of income. Clearly too many of the basics attract VAT. Fags and beer as the most obvious example. Fags and beer are not basics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chem1st Posted October 31, 2011 Author Share Posted October 31, 2011 Fags and beer are not basics. Of course they are. This is Yorkshire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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