alex3659 Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Six metropolitan police officers who attacked a car with baseball bats and a pickaxe while trying to detain a suspect have been found guilty of misconduct, BUT WILL KEEP THEIR JOBS. How's that work out?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conrod Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 It depends on the nature of the misconduct - that approach to detaining a car driver is widely accepted under the right circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickiethecat Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 It depends on the nature of the misconduct - that approach to detaining a car driver is widely accepted under the right circumstances. Quite true. Unless you know the full circumstances it would be unwise to make a judgement. It's very easy for people like the OP to sit in their nice cushy office passing judgement on the police, but until you've done a job where you're at risk of violence from thugs, drug dealers, armed criminals and asylum seekers every day, you don't know what you're talking about! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex3659 Posted November 2, 2011 Author Share Posted November 2, 2011 It depends on the nature of the misconduct - that approach to detaining a car driver is widely accepted under the right circumstances. If they were found guilty in these circumstances then surely they were not accepted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex3659 Posted November 2, 2011 Author Share Posted November 2, 2011 Quite true. Unless you know the full circumstances it would be unwise to make a judgement. It's very easy for people like the OP to sit in their nice cushy office passing judgement on the police, but until you've done a job where you're at risk of violence from thugs, drug dealers, armed criminals and asylum seekers every day, you don't know what you're talking about! I have not passed judgement. Nice little slip in about asylum seekers though, that will get the thread going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Quite true. Unless you know the full circumstances it would be unwise to make a judgement. It's very easy for people like the OP to sit in their nice cushy office passing judgement on the police, but until you've done a job where you're at risk of violence from thugs, drug dealers, armed criminals and asylum seekers every day, you don't know what you're talking about! But the coppers have been found guilty of misconduct..I think that was Alex's point... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickiethecat Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 But the coppers have been found guilty of misconduct..I think that was Alex's point... Dunno about you, but misconduct doesn't mean dismissal where I work. Gross misconduct might do, but just misconduct normally just results in a warning and possibly a demotion, as happened to one of the coppers here. Not really much of a story really, despite Alex's attempt to turn it into a police-bashing thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donmac Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Misconduct means that people have behaved in an inappropriate manner. Many people in their working lives behave inappropriately at times and do not get dismissed. Sometimes they do not even get told off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frededwards Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 It may be just me, but I remember that when I was a teenager, Policemen seemed like uniformed members of the society they served. If you saw one in town, he'd be wearing the same comedy pointy hat as Dixon of Dock Green, or PC Plod in Noddy. They didn't carry guns, American-style batons, didn't wear stab vests, and didn't have shaven heads that made them look like Millwall supporters on an awayday. They didn't wear combat boots and paramilitary trousers and jackets, they wore a smart uniform, with polished buttons. Their handcuffs were discreetly stored away, and even the truncheon wasn't visible, being stowed in a special pocket. They didn't look like, or try to look like the SAS preparing to go into action. As a result, they seemed unthreatening and approachable, and if you were a law abiding sort of person, you automatically respected and sympathised with them, as there was no real 'us and them'. You could ask them directions or for the time, without worrying that they might shoot you in the face. There were places on the continent where they had paramilitary type police forces (the French CRS, for example) and there always seemed to be much more of an us-and-them division in those countries, between population and police. And now we have our own Police forces becoming ever more full of PCs who look like shaven headed thugs, who favour baseball caps or military style caps over the traditional helmet, and who dress like the Lidl version of commandos, with all of their equipment on open display in their belts. I am a law abiding sort of person, but I no longer automatically respect and sympathise with them, and there does feel to be a real distrust between Police and public. This has contributed to the canteen culture that increasingly infects the Police, and this separateness has made it easier for the bad apples to treat the population they deal with with contempt and casual brutality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANGELFIRE1 Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 It may be just me, but I remember that when I was a teenager, Policemen seemed like uniformed members of the society they served. If you saw one in town, he'd be wearing the same comedy pointy hat as Dixon of Dock Green, or PC Plod in Noddy. They didn't carry guns, American-style batons, didn't wear stab vests, and didn't have shaven heads that made them look like Millwall supporters on an awayday. They didn't wear combat boots and paramilitary trousers and jackets, they wore a smart uniform, with polished buttons. Their handcuffs were discreetly stored away, and even the truncheon wasn't visible, being stowed in a special pocket. They didn't look like, or try to look like the SAS preparing to go into action. As a result, they seemed unthreatening and approachable, and if you were a law abiding sort of person, you automatically respected and sympathised with them, as there was no real 'us and them'. You could ask them directions or for the time, without worrying that they might shoot you in the face. There were places on the continent where they had paramilitary type police forces (the French CRS, for example) and there always seemed to be much more of an us-and-them division in those countries, between population and police. And now we have our own Police forces becoming ever more full of PCs who look like shaven headed thugs, who favour baseball caps or military style caps over the traditional helmet, and who dress like the Lidl version of commandos, with all of their equipment on open display in their belts. I am a law abiding sort of person, but I no longer automatically respect and sympathise with them, and there does feel to be a real distrust between Police and public. This has contributed to the canteen culture that increasingly infects the Police, and this separateness has made it easier for the bad apples to treat the population they deal with with contempt and casual brutality. What an excellent post. Well said. Regards Angel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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