Thatcher the Milk Snatcher.

[WeX]

Were there any coalmines in Bedfordshire?

 

Bedfordshire? Why would there be any coal mines down there?

[wednesday1]

What have you been on?:loopy:

Serapiss or something?

That is an Italian wine BTW.

 

 

Oh dear. rumbled!

[wednesday1]

Bedfordshire? Why would there be any coal mines down there?

 

Well you seam (excuse pun) to be claiming to be an authority on he strike, I wondered how you aquired your knowledge?

[WeX]

would you two care to let everyone else in on you in joke because youre making very little sense.

[wednesday1]

would you two care to let everyone else in on you in joke because youre making very little sense.

 

Pull the other one.

 

http://youtu.be/SeLSNzEorbI

[WeX]

Well you seam (excuse pun) to be claiming to be an authority on he strike, I wondered how you aquired your knowledge?

 

im not claiming to be an authority, im just quoting what I have read and researched. if you have some other information, you should put it here for everyone to read. other than having a back and forth with Palsonly that makes very little sense.

[WeX]

Pull the other one.

 

http://youtu.be/SeLSNzEorbI

 

pull what wednesday? what are you trying to say?

[denlin]

coal was too expensive to mine, due in part to the unions becoming too strong and greedy. this is why our coal is imported these days. Look at the difference between Yorkshire mines and those in Nottinghamshire. Yorkshire chose to follow Scargill, the Marxist and held the country to ransom. Thatcher, the democratically elected PM, smashed his organisation and had the support of the country to do so. Shown by Thatchers rise in support (popular vote) after the strikes in the 1987 general election.

 

The losers are never happy, they will always have a chip on their shoulder.

 

So was Arthur Scargill democratically elected and she got in under false promises and the Nottinhhamshire miners betrayed their own and regretted afterwards because they were some of the first to lose their jobs, some loyalty that old bat showed. I was around during those times Wex and knew people who lost thir businesses - were you and who says she had support of country - I don't know anybody who agrrees with that who remembers what the miners went through

[WeX]

So was Arthur Scargill democratically elected and she got in under false promises and the Nottinhhamshire miners betrayed their own and regretted afterwards because they were some of the first to lose their jobs, some loyalty that old bat showed. I was around during those times Wex and knew people who lost thir businesses - were you and who says she had support of country - I don't know anybody who agrrees with that who remembers what the miners went through

 

Scargill democratically elected as head of a union, not the country. He had no right to hold us all to ransom. Union are not bad, look at Germany. They have large unions and they do not have the trouble the UK has had. Look at Scargill now, living in the lap of luxury in a flat worth millions all paid for by union members who suffered and lost their livelihoods. I don't blame the minors, I blame the leaders who led them to destruction. if it wasn't for the NUM we might have had better unions in the country today.

 

if thatcher was so evil and hell bent on waging war on the working class, why was she elected as PM a few years later with a larger proportion of the vote?

 

I was a child at the time of the strikes and my family was not effected, but I'm no supporter of any political party. What I am is a person who can see both sides. my judgement is not effected by one experience or another. I can only go by what I read and research for myself.

 

One other thing, can you give any evidence that the nottinghamshire minors lost their jobs before those in south yorkshire. I was led to believe it was the other way round.

[denlin]

Scargill democratically elected as head of a union, not the country. He had no right to hold us all to ransom. Union are not bad, look at Germany. They have large unions and they do not have the trouble the UK has had. Look at Scargill now, living in the lap of luxury in a flat worth millions all paid for by union members who suffered and lost their livelihoods. I don't blame the minors, I blame the leaders who led them to destruction. if it wasn't for the NUM we might have had better unions in the country today.

 

if thatcher was so evil and hell bent on waging war on the working class, why was she elected as PM a few years later with a larger proportion of the vote?

 

I was a child at the time of the strikes and my family was not effected, but I'm no supporter of any political party. What I am is a person who can see both sides. my judgement is not effected by one experience or another. I can only go by what I read and research for myself.

 

 

One other thing, can you give any evidence that the nottinghamshire minors lost their jobs before those in south yorkshire. I was led to believe it was the other way round.

 

WILL THIS DO - I WAS IN MY EARLY 30s WHEN THAT OLD BAT WAS IN OFFICE

 

 

Union of Democratic Mineworkers.

 

Seven years passed. Seven years during which, in conditions of general mass unemployment, the majority of British coal mines were shut down.

 

Once the NUM had been defeated the Government was able to do as it liked.That was the point.

 

There were 170 collieries in Britain in March 1984. Eight years later, 97 pits had been closed. 25 pits closed in 1985, the year of the NUM’s defeat.

 

Notts pits too. In the six years after 1985, 12 out of the 25 Notts pits were closed down. Even so, there were no compulsory redundancies. Notts miners prospered, secure and earning well. Until 1992.

 

Then Roy Link and his followers were seized with rough hands and made to learn what their real place in the world was.

 

In October, 1992, the Government announced that a further 31 pits would close, with a loss of 30,000 jobs. It was the final death-blow to the industry.

 

And Nottinghamshire?

 

During the strike, none were more special than the Notts “working miners”; and Roy Lynk had been the extra-special leader of this “special breed of men”. But now there would be no special treatment for the former scabs.

 

Three pits of the remaining 13 were to close in 1992.

 

Seven more Notts pits would close between 1993 and 2004.

 

The pampered, tit-bit fed, pet workers’ leader, and his followers, having served their purpose, got no better treatment than Scargill and the defeated NUM miners had had.

 

The savage ingratitude of it, the treachery, the casual breaking of promises that had been solemnly given when the Government needed strikebreakers — it was all so gross that there was a big public outcry against the proposed pit closures. To no avail.

 

Thatcher, with the help of the UDM had already destroyed the miners’ power of collective resistance.

 

The UDM was helpless. So, in terms of effective action, was what was left of the NUM.

 

Roy Lynk was reduced to staging a one-man stay-down protest, skulking at the bottom of a coal pit due for closure! (NUM people said he wanted to avoid facing his dupes and fellow-scabs of 1984-5, for a while…)

 

He must have pondered bitterly on the changes seven years had brought.

 

The Notts scab miners had listened to the press, the politicians and the scab-herders, and sided with the Government against the rest of the miners. They had heard with hostility and contempt, or refused to hear at all, the great socialist truths about the capitalist world we live in, the truths, which the NUM fought for and lived by for 13 heroic, magnificent months in 1984-5.