A poll on attitudes to pornography

[theripsaw]

I'm not sourcing porn for you - get it yourself! It's obvious that's why the whole craze kicked off amongst porn stars, it's received wisdom.

 

No, that particular point smacks of feminist propaganda and I rather thought you would see through it! It makes no sense at all!

Almost as crazy as Halibuts earlier comment about how shaving a woman is about disempowering them!!

[Suffragette1]

No, that particular point smacks of feminist propaganda and I rather thought you would see through it! It makes no sense at all!

Almost as crazy as Halibuts earlier comment about how shaving a woman is about disempowering them!!

 

Ask people in the porn industry then why the whole shaving fad took off, then the trimmed labia, it is not feminist propaganda at all. As a culture, we are obsessed with symmetry, look at all the top models and renowned beauties, they have what we perceive to be highly symmetrical features (some achieved by surgical means), yet the left and right halves of natural human faces form a balanced entity but the halves are not identical, whether appearing statically or in motion. The asymmetrical anatomical and functional markers are subtle, and the majority cannot be discerned upon casual observation.

 

The same aesthetic ideal was then applied to labia as more of the vulva was visible once a shaved look started to become the norm in porn, that was soon addressed leading to more and more labial manipulation.

[Suffragette1]

Not every bit of every bodies body is pretty. That's just the way it is. If people are that insecure that they can't deal with that then what's everyone supposed to do?

 

Agreed, however, we don't often get to see images of the non-so called visual ideal and perfection of people's bodies, hence all this confusion about perceptions of normality/sexual attractiveness. Apropos porn, you're then straying into fetishes and specialised porn or the home produced stuff rather than mass produced.

[theripsaw]

Ask people in the porn industry then why the whole shaving fad took off, then the trimmed labia, it is not feminist propaganda at all. As a culture, we are obsessed with symmetry, look at all the top models and renowned beauties, they have what we perceive to be highly symmetrical features (some achieved by surgical means), yet the left and right halves of natural human faces form a balanced entity but the halves are not identical, whether appearing statically or in motion. The asymmetrical anatomical and functional markers are subtle, and the majority cannot be discerned upon casual observation.

 

The same aesthetic ideal was then applied to labia as more of the vulva was visible once a shaved look started to become the norm in porn, that was soon addressed leading to more and more labial manipulation.

 

I dont doubt that the shaving was in order to see more, and to make it look more appealing but still dont buy the trimming argument. You suggested trimming was to maximise the penetrative act shot. Did you mean see it more in detail / close up or make it look more attractive?

If we humans find symmetry more attractive we cant do anything about that. It's natural and doesnt need to be addressed. Just like a female finding a male attractive is natural, and doesnt need probing and investigating and analysing and addressing.

[Suffragette1]

I dont doubt that the shaving was in order to see more, and to make it look more appealing but still dont buy the trimming argument. You suggested trimming was to maximise the penetrative act shot. Did you mean see it more in detail / close up or make it look more attractive?

If we humans find symmetry more attractive we cant do anything about that. It's natural and doesnt need to be addressed. Just like a female finding a male attractive is natural, and doesnt need probing and investigating and analysing and addressing.

 

What don't you buy about the trimming argument? It so does need addressing when perfect symmetry does not occur naturally anywhere on the human body yet more people are aspiring to it. Something, somewhere has gone awry there. We've survived thus far as a human race, procreating and having recreational sex, without all these procedures and aids, without perfectly symmetrical tiny and/or non-existant labia, without spherical and perfectly symmetrical breasts, with pubic hair and unwaxed testicles etc.

[Suffragette1]

I like this piece, it's unapologetic and written very much in the same tone as Caitlin Moran.

[Conrod]

A lot of porn is misogynistic.

In your eyes, perhaps.

I'm sure there are some films in which women are dominated or abused, and some films in which men are, but mostly the industry is there because men like to see gorgeous women and, a step further, use porn to bridge the gap between their aspirations and reality.

The California porn industry alone is vast, its successful and wealthy stars mostly female, and those female stars have hordes of adoring male fans - is that misogyny?

[theripsaw]

I like this piece, it's unapologetic and written very much in the same tone as Caitlin Moran.

 

Ouch! Interesting but the same tired old half baked personal theories by a lady who I suspect has an issue with men (possibly evidenced by her statement- " That is something I'd like to see: a man so dizzied by the shortfall between reality and his own ignorance that his brain can't take it and he loses consciousness.")

 

Suppose women just thought one day that a shaved pipi looks nicer and so did it, just like they did long ago with their legs?

[Suffragette1]

In your eyes, perhaps.

I'm sure there are some films in which women are dominated or abused, and some films in which men are, but mostly the industry is there because men like to see gorgeous women and, a step further, use porn to bridge the gap between their aspirations and reality.

The California porn industry alone is vast, its successful and wealthy stars mostly female, and those female stars have hordes of adoring male fans - is that misogyny?

 

If men are able to divorce reality from fantasy then yes, porn does serve a purpose and fulfill a need, I have no issue with that. It is when the fantasy spills into reality and women are coerced or feel pressured into trying to conform to an ideal with which they feel uncomfortable, therein lies the problem. Increasingly, research with young women reveals that this is the case and that is where we stray into the area of misogyny. That is the problem that I see and I cannot be as cavalier about it as some appear to be for this reason alone. If a couple wishes to engage in s/m then fine, again I see no problem provided that they are both consenting adults. To deny that porn does and can have a negative impact on female sexuality is disingenuous to say the least.

 

ETA: porn, as in films, not magazines, is a visual and auditory experience apropos the senses. I think that for the current generation growing up with experience of porn before their first sexual experiences, porn is creating an illusion of what sex really is about, it is surely a sensory experience of all five of the senses and sexual attraction is not only about what one may perceive to be as an aesthetic ideal? Interesting article here.

[Suffragette1]

Ouch! Interesting but the same tired old half baked personal theories by a lady who I suspect has an issue with men (possibly evidenced by her statement- " That is something I'd like to see: a man so dizzied by the shortfall between reality and his own ignorance that his brain can't take it and he loses consciousness.")

 

Suppose women just thought one day that a shaved pipi looks nicer and so did it, just like they did long ago with their legs?

 

Yes, of course. Any woman who dares to challenge the effects of porn must indeed have an issue with men. 'Same tired old half baked personal theories', eh? Who's guilty of that now?