I1L2T3 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Dysons mistake was making them here in the first place. He actually did very well here establishing his business using local labour. It was the platform for where the company is now. Dyson is a unique example anyway. The invention of the cyclonic vacuum happened in the 1930s and was patented by other companies. Dyson innovated to make it portable. It was always going to be copied and manufactured at much lower cost bases abroad by massive industrial conglomerates eventually. Dyson just moved with the times in that particular niche of the industry. That said, if we'd had the taxation based on where value was added to the production cycle then the whole Dyson operation might still be here, providing a wide range of jobs and not just those in the high end R&D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Absolutely. Nice post. If there was an additional tax on companies that added value to the production cycle offshore then we might not lose valuable companies. Or, alternatively tax breaks for companies that added most value onshore. Same difference. Managed international trade (call it tariffs if you want) is coming as an inevitable consequence of the meltdown we are going to have. It can be done as a kneejerk reaction or it can re done in a reasonable, imaginative and justifiable way. I'm never going to look down my nose at somebody who wants to work in a factory. Some people are happy to do it to earn their crust and not everybody wants to be a part of the 'knowledge economy' anyway. There are factories (building cars )and there are factories (screwing lids on toothpaste tubes). If we get more of the latter who do you think we be doing them. English long term unemployed or bus loads of eastern Europeans ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shogun Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 There is no jobs for them to do there is no manufacturing in this country any more to set young people on in mass like they used to do, foreigners have for years always done the jobs we don't want to do,there is not enough hi skilled jobs to go round for the graduates,it seems most of the jobs for unskilled young people are part time or temporary jobs,you only have to cast your mind back to the last time the conservatives were in power to see it all happening again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarkysod Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 There are factories (building cars )and there are factories (screwing lids on toothpaste tubes). If we get more of the latter who do you think we be doing them. English long term unemployed or bus loads of eastern Europeans ? I totally agree with you, but for the economy to work, ask yourself when was the last time you bought a new car and when was the last time you bought a tube of toothpaste. You can either sell to the world new cars or toothpaste. As an example look at China's production output to the world and then look at the British car industry, one may be slightly higher than the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassman62 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Disagree. Let's say they keep the manufacturing here and send the R&D to say, holland. Do we want our graduates designing vacume cleaners or putting them together (which wouldn't be high skilled I'd have thought). And who'd buy them ?if dyson are going to be that much more to build they'll be loads dearer than they already are so I'll buy a Hoover. On the other side of the coin, what about the nissans and toyotas who invest in skilled jobs ? If the same logic is applied in Japan we won't do well out of that deal. Dysons mistake was making them here in the first place. If, If, if, if, and while people like you welcome asset stripping it will go on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassman62 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 There are factories (building cars )and there are factories (screwing lids on toothpaste tubes). If we get more of the latter who do you think we be doing them. English long term unemployed or bus loads of eastern Europeans ?So why don't you come up with something positive or constructive? Is it any wonder the country has gone down the pan with people like you always ready to knock the UK and support the likes of Dyson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassman62 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 He actually did very well here establishing his business using local labour. It was the platform for where the company is now. Dyson is a unique example anyway. The invention of the cyclonic vacuum happened in the 1930s and was patented by other companies. Dyson innovated to make it portable. It was always going to be copied and manufactured at much lower cost bases abroad by massive industrial conglomerates eventually. Dyson just moved with the times in that particular niche of the industry. That said, if we'd had the taxation based on where value was added to the production cycle then the whole Dyson operation might still be here, providing a wide range of jobs and not just those in the high end R&D. Not only that but Dyson moved because he said production costs in India were a fith of the UK, as production is the most expensive part why haven't the Dyson vacuum cleaners come down in price? It isn't the greed of the workers it is the greed of those at the top who took British industry down the drain through lack of reinvestment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 So why don't you come up with something positive or constructive? Is it any wonder the country has gone down the pan with people like you always ready to knock the UK and support the likes of Dyson. I agree with I1l2h3 three point plan above. Invest in small businesses that sort of thing. Opening a load of low skilled sweat shops isn't going to help is it ? We have low paid and unskilled jobs already, Brits won't do them. I want uk workers doing skilled work not trying to compete with Chinese sweat shops for Chinese sweat shop money. On the topic of dyson, he built that company from nothing. If can't decide how it's run, what's the point ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassman62 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 There are factories (building cars )and there are factories (screwing lids on toothpaste tubes). If we get more of the latter who do you think we be doing them. English long term unemployed or bus loads of eastern Europeans ? British products and production were the envy of the world at a time when machinery and plant were modern, how can you compete against modern up to date firms overseas in antiquated out of date innefficient factories? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassman62 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 On the topic of dyson, he built that company from nothing. If can't decide how it's run, what's the point ?And the British public supported him and what was their reward? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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