llamatron Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 As I said, strip searches are already there as a DETERRENT You inferred that strip searches should be there as a matter of course for everyone which, is silly and a childish comment thats not what I inferred AT ALL You said ANYTHING that deters terrorism. A strip search for every passenger would deter terrorists far more than occasional strip searches. Now you've realised how silly that is you are calling my comment childish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 Sorry, I'm not qualified enough to answer the first question....maybe the shoe bomber or the bloke with exploding underpants? As for the money making bit, I'm sure you can quantify that statement. Anything that can act as a deterrent to terrorists I'm all for it. I do a lot of flying and I like to feel comfortable and safe. Exactly, and scanners like this make you and people like you feel safe. They don't actually make you safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nagel Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 From the article posted: Under the new European Commission policy, the U.K. will be allowed to complete a trial of the X-ray scanners but not to deploy them on a permanent basis when the trial ends, said Helen Kearns, spokeswoman for the European transport commissioner, Siim Kallas. So what does this mean if you refuse to be scanned at Manchester Airport? Will you still be refused boarding onto the flight or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llamatron Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 I don't know if this is factually correct but a comment under that article says that you are more likely to get cancer from the ionising radiation than you are to be a victim of the terrorist attack. If that is true then clearly they are in fact pointless. I guess you also need to take into account the fact that x-rays are not magic imaging machines, you can only detect certain materials anyway which means if these machines are used for every passenger, terrorists will get round it easily I am sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumkin Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 thats not what I inferred AT ALL You said ANYTHING that deters terrorism. A strip search for every passenger would deter terrorists far more than occasional strip searches. Now you've realised how silly that is you are calling my comment childish. Have it your own way, much better things to do than argue a small point of comprehension with a pedant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llamatron Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 Have it your own way, much better things to do than argue a small point of comprehension with a pedant. Do you always get defensive when you realise you are wrong? Theres no need to resort to insults, just admit that you are not willing to sacrifice all of your personal freedoms to deter terrorists. That was the only point I was making in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 I don't know if this is factually correct but a comment under that article says that you are more likely to get cancer from the ionising radiation than you are to be a victim of the terrorist attack. If that is true then clearly they are in fact pointless. I guess you also need to take into account the fact that x-rays are not magic imaging machines, you can only detect certain materials anyway which means if these machines are used for every passenger, terrorists will get round it easily I am sure. They use x-ray back scatter, this is about the scanners that produce a 'nude' false colour image of you to show anything hidden about your person. They're not the arches that detect metallic objects (only). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llamatron Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 They use x-ray back scatter, this is about the scanners that produce a 'nude' false colour image of you to show anything hidden about your person. They're not the arches that detect metallic objects (only). but they have difficulty differentiating between the plastic in your shoe for example and plastic explosives and liquids (I believe). They are good at spotting a gun but terrorists aren't usually that thick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CXC3000 Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 The perverts won't be pleased... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 but they have difficulty differentiating between the plastic in your shoe for example and plastic explosives and liquids (I believe). They are good at spotting a gun but terrorists aren't usually that thick. And the arch scanners are equally good at spotting guns. They'd both find a knife, and you only get plastic cutlery on board, but you can buy large glass bottles that will smash and make a nice weapon in duty free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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