HeadingNorth Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Or it neither, and the experiment had no errors and it didn’t travel faster than light so relativity is intact. That's not possible. The neutrinos were measured as having travelled faster than the speed of light in a vacuum - so either the measurements are incorrect, or it is possible to exceed the speed of light in a vacuum. There is no third option (although there are innumerable different ways in which the measurements could be incorrect). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmith Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 That's not possible. The neutrinos were measured as having travelled faster than the speed of light in a vacuum - so either the measurements are incorrect, or it is possible to exceed the speed of light in a vacuum. There is no third option (although there are innumerable different ways in which the measurements could be incorrect). No they measured the departure time and arrival time, they don't know what it did in between and it didn't travel through a vacuum, It travelled through the Earth's crust. General relativity allows for the expansion and compression of space time, so a neutron travailing at light Speed could have compressed space in front whilst expanding space behind, the distance it travelled in compressed space will be shorter than normal space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadingNorth Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 No they measured the departure time and arrival time.. ...and the distance between the two points in a straight line. If those three measurements are all accurate, then special relativity HAS collapsed. There is no third option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmith Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 ...and the distance between the two points in a straight line. If those three measurements are all accurate, then special relativity HAS collapsed. There is no third option. The compression of space just in front of the neutrino which general relativity makes possible. We know space expands because it has been observed, if it can expand its a reasonable assumption that it can compress and we know matter can be compressed, so if space can compress then the distance the neutrino travelled will be shorter than the distance in normal space. The universe supposedly start from a compressed state and expanded, initially faster than light. The galaxies didn’t move it was just the space expanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balpin Posted November 20, 2011 Author Share Posted November 20, 2011 Or goblins. You can't rule out goblins either. The more you analyse it, the more The Goblin theory (as it is now popularly known) seems to be the only answer. The Nobel Prize is in the offing I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 The more you analyse it, the more The Goblin theory (as it is now popularly known) seems to be the only answer. The Nobel Prize is in the offing I think. Or maybe the Goblins were a metaphor for a theory that is impossible to prove or disprove? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balpin Posted November 20, 2011 Author Share Posted November 20, 2011 Or maybe the Goblins were a metaphor for a theory that is impossible to prove or disprove? Seriously, if this does turn out to be reality it could be the start of something quite exciting. It is only neutrinos at present, but the knowledge that we are not limited, and mankinds ingenuity, the scope could be tremendous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Seriously, if this does turn out to be reality it could be the start of something quite exciting. It is only neutrinos at present, but the knowledge that we are not limited, and mankinds ingenuity, the scope could be tremendous. I agree, if it is verified it will be really exciting. It breaks a fundamental law, and a law which at some stage would have restricted our ability to explore the universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmith Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 I agree, if it is verified it will be really exciting. It breaks a fundamental law, and a law which at some stage would have restricted our ability to explore the universe. General relativity already gives us the laws that would allow us to explore the universe, by jumping from one part of the universe to another part by creating a stable wormhole, compressing space time by creating a stable warp bubble or Faulding space time. Exceeding the speed of light wouldn’t be of any significant use, because even at 4 X the speed of light it would still take a year to get to the next solar system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFKvsNixon Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 General relativity already gives us the laws that would allow us to explore the universe, by jumping from one part of the universe to another part by creating a stable wormhole, compressing space time by creating a stable warp bubble or Faulding space time. Exceeding the speed of light wouldn’t be of any significant use, because even at 4 X the speed of light it would still take a year to get to the next solar system. The wormhole theories, or some sort of space warp were suggested because of the very issue with the inability to go faster than light. Also, I view the importance of breaking the light barrier rather than how much faster than the speed of light as being significant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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