Lady Star Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Not strictly 'forced' but it's cheap/free labour, and it's generally taken up by the tescos/matalans of the world who really have more than enough cash to pay for staff! I had a kid on work experience at Boots once, I had wanted em to do three days, four hours a day, but the manager had told the kid to come in 8 hours a day! When she did that, I pulled the kid straight out! They were meant to be 'tasters' so that the kid could see what work was like - too few ever took them on, and only the big businesses would touch em, as small independents didn't want neet kids in their shops... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0742Sheff Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 The woman clearly is not from this Planet! But I've always said that the likes of A4E are the last recourse for the desperate anyway (and before anyone starts, I've been on a similar kind of course, and it came to sweet FA) She is also a liar. She sat there and came out with some tale about how she was turned down at every university, before walking up to one and knocking on the door until they let her join. Then she went on to form her business empire from scratch. Apparently she didn't even have enough money for bus fares and had to use a friends bike to get around. No mention of inheriting her fathers business before turning it into the A4e we know this day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecky Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Not strictly 'forced' but it's cheap/free labour, and it's generally taken up by the tescos/matalans of the world who really have more than enough cash to pay for staff! I had a kid on work experience at Boots once, I had wanted em to do three days, four hours a day, but the manager had told the kid to come in 8 hours a day! When she did that, I pulled the kid straight out! They were meant to be 'tasters' so that the kid could see what work was like - too few ever took them on, and only the big businesses would touch em, as small independents didn't want neet kids in their shops... What happens, if people refuse to do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Star Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 What happens, if people refuse to do it? Nothing - where I worked the purpose was that the kids came from connexions to try some work experience, and they were on scant benefits as mostly school leavers, so child benefit (as on a post 16 programme) or EMA when and where available... The work programme for the post 18 market asks people if they want eight week work experience, and if they say yes they are then commited to it - if they say no, then that's fair enough - that's why not really forced, but for those who do commit to it, they are then cheap labour with few landing a job with the company they work for... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cyclone Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Is working for your benefits "forced labour" ? No more than working for a salary is. You'd be free to not work for a salary and free to not work for benefits. Forced labour would involve some kind of force, not just the desire to earn some money in order to live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Do you think that work placements should be reduced to menial labour tasks like litter picking? Was reading an article about a town in Spain today. The town has the highest unemployment rate in Spain. Mentioned that when ditches need to be dug the council don't get mechanical diggers in any more, they're dug manually to give people employment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Sidney Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 If there is such a thing I would wish it to be more community based. Litter picking doing elderly peoples gardens etc...rather than pretending its some sort of training...and large companies getting free labour when they can afford to pay for it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ab6262 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 If there is such a thing I would wish it to be more community based. Litter picking doing elderly peoples gardens etc...rather than pretending its some sort of training...and large companies getting free labour when they can afford to pay for it... agreed it should be all the jobs that councils say they cant afford to do properly, so yes litter picking in parks, street cleaning of roadside verges, cleaning generally in the community areas , so to get the weekly benefit you have to do at least one 8hr day a week to earn it, the rest of the week is the claiments to job search, "no community work in a week" = no benefit! its not much to ask Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fake Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 If there is such a thing I would wish it to be more community based. Litter picking doing elderly peoples gardens etc...rather than pretending its some sort of training...and large companies getting free labour when they can afford to pay for it... The problem with most things community based and also with volunteer work is that those that are in charge and organise the volunteers/community workers are normally paid quite well. Its one of the reasons I stopped doing that kind of work. Hence the proliferation of community forums that most areas seem to have. The same will also happen with "workfare" as those that organise it will be paid well while those that do the work will get little out of it. Litter picking is OK but how many pickers do we need as I cant see much litter about and we already pay Council Tax to employ people to deal with that. Maybe the elderly with gardens who cant garden anymore should think about downgrading to a smaller property without a garden. BTW its not a criticism of your post.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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