JFKvsNixon Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 When did I generalise that all staff are corrupt and incompetent, most of the staff do a good job but could do a much better job if they weren't bogged down with mountains of bureaucratic nonsense, and if they had access to the mountains of money that is wasted through fraud and corruption and incompetence. Could you give example of the bureaucratic nonsense that you want to cut, and the fraud you want clamped down on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmith Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 Post #68 in this thread. It almost completely contradicts what you just posted. No it doesn’t, it doesn’t even mention staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 No it doesn’t, it doesn’t even mention staff. You mentioned incompetence in response to a post that specifically mentioned types of public sector workers. Read it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmith Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 Could you give example of the bureaucratic nonsense that you want to cut, and the fraud you want clamped down on? A piece of glass need replacing in a council building, the caretaker offered to buy the glass locally for around £20, he wasn't allowed instead someone from the council had to inspect it, then someone else came out to do an emergency repair and measure it, a week later a new piece of glass was fitted. Total bill £247. 12 x what it should have cost, imagine that kind of bureaucratic nonsense on a national level and its easy to understand why the public sector costs more than the tax taken. When serving in the RN we had to use components costing thousands that could have been bought for pounds. MoD 'paid £22 for 65p lightbulbs' Defence chiefs are also said to have shelled out £103 each for screws, believed to be on sale online for £2.60. Individual schools are spending as much as £250,000 on photocopiers because of bad business management, a senior schools procurement civil servant admitted last week. Claire Dicks, assistant director of the educational procurement centre at the Department for Children, Schools and Families, said schools are getting tied into rolling contracts with companies that can end up spiralling out of control. Millions of pounds of taxpayers' money is being wasted in the Department for Children, Schools and Families, an internal government report suggests. The report, by former WH Smith chief executive Richard Handover, has been seen by BBC One's Politics Show. He described how £50,000 was spent installing three toilets at a primary school - 10 times the required sum, while another spent £35,000 on a £1,000 photocopier. Ministers wasted £71millon on building 66 motorcycle test centres for manoeuvres that could have been carried out on public roads. A major review of the motor bike L-test has now been ordered after Labour built the super centres to comply with a 'bizarre' EU metric rule. An EU directive ordered that L-test manoeuvres, such as the emergency stop or avoiding an obstacle, must be carried out at speeds of 50 kilometres per hour. But 50kph is 31.2 miles per hour, an illegal speed on the 30mph roads usually used by learner motorcyclists. And the Driving Standards Agency concluded doing the manoeuvres on 40mph roads would be too dangerous. How £50bn goes down the drain £9bn Public services running costs have risen by 10.2%, but output is up by only 1.7%. Closing the gap saves £9bn. £6.5bn Axing the entire Department of Trade and Industry, which is accused of doing little other than hindering business, would save £6.5bn. £4.1bn The cost of Whitehall’s ever-increasing bureaucracy has soared. The TaxPayers’ Alliance says checking the spending will save £4.1bn. £3.2bn Massive benefit fraud was exposed in a shock report by the National Audit Office. Stopping the cheats, plus errors, would save £3.2bn. £2.5bn The Rail Regulator found that Network Rail spent £1bn on work it "did not need to do" and completely wasted another £1.5bn. £1.8bn A minimum £1.8bn of our contribution to the EU’s Common Agricultural Policy bails out farmers in France and other Euro nations. £1.7bn Writing off failed projects, including radar, and bungled communication and computer systems, costs the Ministry of Defence £1.7bn. £1.7bn Reducing sickies by public sector workers, who take off 50% more time than private sector staff, will save £1.7bn. £1.2bn A growing army of Government inspectors and regulators cost us £12bn last year. This could easily be cut by £1.2bn. £1.1bn Axe many of the duties of local education authorities now that money goes straight to schools, a simple saving of £1.1bn. £1bn The Health Department says the cost of illnesses and infections caught IN hospital is £1bn. Better hygiene would save that cash. £200m At least 100,000 foreign “health tourists” cost the NHS a massive amount. Simple measures could save at least £200m. The savings proposed by the the TaxPayers’ Alliance which are listed above are only a part of the £50billion waste they have uncovered. The group says they have identified more than 500 cases of profligate Government spending. They include vast sums splurged on luxury offices, huge overspends, flabby adminstration, and yet more quangos. The TPA has also set up an email hotline for whistleblowers in the public services: Fraud is estimated to cost the NHS £115 million a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecky Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 A piece of glass need replacing in a council building, the caretaker offered to buy the glass locally for around £20, he wasn't allowed instead someone from the council had to inspect it, then someone else came out to do an emergency repair and measure it, a week later a new piece of glass was fitted. Total bill £247. 12 x what it should have cost, imagine that kind of bureaucratic nonsense on a national level and its easy to understand why the public sector costs more than the tax taken. When serving in the RN we had to use components costing thousands that could have been bought for pounds. Thanks for that Mr Cut and Paste, where do you get these supposed facts/evidence from? Why haven't you answered the question in post #101? What has the drivel you're spouting got to do with the strike? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balpin Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 As soon as Mr Smith said he was in the RN his case was lost. Anyone who is an ex forces person is a lost cause. They are bought people. Maggie gave them a 23% pay increase whan she came to authority, to ensure their subservience. Then allowed them to deal bloodshed and death to young boys in the Falklands to give them a taste for slaughter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 OK, so you don't like MrSmith. What about the facts in his post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecky Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 OK, so you don't like MrSmith. What about the facts in his post? Which facts are they? Facts can mean anything BTW and Tory bullyboys just love to quote facts for some reason ... never worked out why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 OK Mecky, don't get too excited, it's bath night, so just another ten minutes on your computer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balpin Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 OK, so you don't like MrSmith. What about the facts in his post? Tony, dont talk nonsense. You dont like his ideas either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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