Tony Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 Put the ad hominem thrust aside, what about what he writes? Are we seriously trying to claim that the public sector is either efficient or good at delivering service from procurement to the point of use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phanerothyme Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 I never cease to be amazed by Britain's attempts to destroy it's own economy. Britain is an island, which makes it an inconvenient location compared to the rest of Europe. There is little point spending $billions improving transport links if they keep getting closed down. I work for a multi-national based in Seattle. The B.A strikes caused people to consider where European investment should take place. If you base in the UK such transport shutdowns isolate you from the world. Centring in mainland Europe means such events merely isolate you from the UK. It’s a no-brainer really and one that ever more companies are making. Thick fog in the English Channel, continent cut off. If people are scared off by a little industrial action, then there are braver people who will see that as an opportunity. Fortes fortuna adiuvat as they say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 OK, so you don't like MrSmith. What about the facts in his post? The one with all the cut and paste doesn't name any sources. Where did he cut and paste it all from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 Put the ad hominem thrust aside, what about what he writes? Are we seriously trying to claim that the public sector is either efficient or good at delivering service from procurement to the point of use? Parts of it do a very good job. Other parts not so good. The obvious starting point is figuring out what is performing well and delivering value for money. The complete wrong starting point is a blanket assumption that all of the public sector is rotten and needs to be overhauled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmith Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 The one with all the cut and paste doesn't name any sources. Where did he cut and paste it all from? For a man with your obvious intellect finding the sources shouldn’t take the more than 5 clicks of the mouse and about 10 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricgem2002 Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 A piece of glass need replacing in a council building, the caretaker offered to buy the glass locally for around £20, he wasn't allowed instead someone from the council had to inspect it, then someone else came out to do an emergency repair and measure it, a week later a new piece of glass was fitted. Total bill £247. 12 x what it should have cost, imagine that kind of bureaucratic nonsense on a national level and its easy to understand why the public sector costs more than the tax taken. When serving in the RN we had to use components costing thousands that could have been bought for pounds. so what have you done in the way of getting the council to let the caretaker do the job himself ? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricgem2002 Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 How £50bn goes down the drain £9bn Public services running costs have risen by 10.2%, but output is up by only 1.7%. Closing the gap saves £9bn. £6.5bn Axing the entire Department of Trade and Industry, which is accused of doing little other than hindering business, would save £6.5bn. £4.1bn The cost of Whitehall’s ever-increasing bureaucracy has soared. The TaxPayers’ Alliance says checking the spending will save £4.1bn. £3.2bn Massive benefit fraud was exposed in a shock report by the National Audit Office. Stopping the cheats, plus errors, would save £3.2bn. £2.5bn The Rail Regulator found that Network Rail spent £1bn on work it "did not need to do" and completely wasted another £1.5bn. £1.8bn A minimum £1.8bn of our contribution to the EU’s Common Agricultural Policy bails out farmers in France and other Euro nations. £1.7bn Writing off failed projects, including radar, and bungled communication and computer systems, costs the Ministry of Defence £1.7bn. £1.7bn Reducing sickies by public sector workers, who take off 50% more time than private sector staff, will save £1.7bn. £1.2bn A growing army of Government inspectors and regulators cost us £12bn last year. This could easily be cut by £1.2bn. £1.1bn Axe many of the duties of local education authorities now that money goes straight to schools, a simple saving of £1.1bn. £1bn The Health Department says the cost of illnesses and infections caught IN hospital is £1bn. Better hygiene would save that cash. £200m At least 100,000 foreign “health tourists” cost the NHS a massive amount. Simple measures could save at least £200m. How £50bn goes down the drain £9bn Public services running costs have risen by 10.2%, but output is up by only 1.7%. Closing the gap saves £9bn. £6.5bn Axing the entire Department of Trade and Industry, which is accused of doing little other than hindering business, would save £6.5bn. £4.1bn The cost of Whitehall’s ever-increasing bureaucracy has soared. The TaxPayers’ Alliance says checking the spending will save £4.1bn. £3.2bn Massive benefit fraud was exposed in a shock report by the National Audit Office. Stopping the cheats, plus errors, would save £3.2bn. £2.5bn The Rail Regulator found that Network Rail spent £1bn on work it "did not need to do" and completely wasted another £1.5bn. £1.8bn A minimum £1.8bn of our contribution to the EU’s Common Agricultural Policy bails out farmers in France and other Euro nations. £1.7bn Writing off failed projects, including radar, and bungled communication and computer systems, costs the Ministry of Defence £1.7bn. £1.7bn Reducing sickies by public sector workers, who take off 50% more time than private sector staff, will save £1.7bn. £1.2bn A growing army of Government inspectors and regulators cost us £12bn last year. This could easily be cut by £1.2bn. £1.1bn Axe many of the duties of local education authorities now that money goes straight to schools, a simple saving of £1.1bn. £1bn The Health Department says the cost of illnesses and infections caught IN hospital is £1bn. Better hygiene would save that cash. £200m At least 100,000 foreign “health tourists” cost the NHS a massive amount. Simple measures could save at least £200m. . out of all that why havent you mentioned tax avoidance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 For a man with your obvious intellect finding the sources shouldn’t take the more than 5 clicks of the mouse and about 10 seconds. It is customary when you copy in content from other sites to acknowledge the source. I'm not about to spend time searching for your sources when you should have just included them yourself. If you want people to take your post seriously just include the sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmith Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 It is customary when you copy in content from other sites to acknowledge the source. I'm not about to spend time searching for your sources when you should have just included them yourself. If you want people to take your post seriously just include the sources. Another member asked me a question which I answered, it makes not the slightest difference to me if you believe it or not, if you are interested you will spend 10 seconds and look for the source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmith Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 out of all that why havent you mentioned tax avoidance Why would I is it public sector employees that aren’t paying tax? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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