perplexed Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Of course we can see God's working out from the scientific data we are able to amass. Dawkins and Co. focus on matter which is very simplistic and easy to do. They cannot even begin to research the human emotions which are at the very core of our existence. What publication is that in then? Who peer reviewed it? You have zero evidence. I've said before, looking around at the Universe and pointing to things saying "God made that" is not evidence of anything. It is proof of nothing. You may believe that it is so, but belief is not evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agbus Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Scientists are happy to accept that something can exist without cause. Ergo, there is no need to explain "what made the big bang." You are the one who has a problem. You refuse to accept that something can exist without cause, and yet you believe that God can exist without cause. It's a self-contradiction. You are contradicting yourself. You say "Scientists are happy to accept that something can exist without cause." So why in heavens name do they ask about it? Have they got split personalities or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agbus Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 What publication is that in then? Who peer reviewed it? You have zero evidence. I've said before, looking around at the Universe and pointing to things saying "God made that" is not evidence of anything. It is proof of nothing. You may believe that it is so, but belief is not evidence. Ask HeadingNorth he knows all about scientific research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadingNorth Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 You are contradicting yourself. You say "Scientists are happy to accept that something can exist without cause." So why in heavens name do they ask about it? They don't. You do. There are two logical possibilities; One; things can exist without cause. In which case, the Universe can exist without cause, and we're done. There is nothing to discuss. Two; things cannot exist without cause. In which case, the Universe cannot exist without cause and some god or another must have created it; but god cannot exist without cause either, so what created him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Sleeps Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 You say "Scientists are happy to accept that something can exist without cause." So why in heavens name do they ask about it? Because it may give them a result they weren't expecting. It's called Scientific Inquiry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perplexed Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 You are contradicting yourself. You say "Scientists are happy to accept that something can exist without cause." So why in heavens name do they ask about it? Have they got split personalities or something. Science is open to new ideas. Providing there is evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agbus Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 They don't. You do. Dumb answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agbus Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Because it may give them a result they weren't expecting. It's called Scientific Inquiry. So scientists are not convinced that things don't need a first cause, in other words you admit they are talking rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perplexed Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Ask HeadingNorth he knows all about scientific research. I'm asking you. I'll take it that you can't provide the answer. Because there is, at the risk of becoming repetitive, no evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agbus Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 I'm asking you. I'll take it that you can't provide the answer. Because there is, at the risk of becoming repetitive, no evidence. The universe is evidence, the same as the computer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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