poppet2 Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Yes, you're right. No-one needs to adopt any specific religion nor to convert from one to another. BUT all are obliged to comply with at least the Seven Noachide Laws, objective and impartial basics benchmarks. But these Noachide laws are not clearly defined in The Bible. Are they in The Torah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Shaw Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 But these Noachide laws are not clearly defined in The Bible. Are they in The Torah? No commandments- not even the 613 by which all Jews are bound- are clearly defined in...the Torah. They are elucidated from its text, however. The reason is simple: the Written Torah is but half of the entirety; the Oral Torah (expounded in the Talmud) was given at the same time, in the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Shaw Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 But aren't those laws just for the Jewish people and not all of us? No. The Seven are global. They are the benchmark by which every religion's list of requirements (inc. atheists'/humanists') is adjudged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fake Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 No. The Seven are global. They are the benchmark by which every religion's list of requirements (inc. atheists'/humanists') is adjudged. But doesn't that assume that there is only one (true) God and that we are all descendants from Noah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sccsux Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 every religion's list of requirements (inc. atheists'/humanists') is adjudged. Atheism is not a religion (regardless of popular belief - or lies). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balpin Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Yes, you're right. No-one needs to adopt any specific religion nor to convert from one to another. BUT all are obliged to comply with at least the Seven Noachide Laws, objective and impartial basics benchmarks. No one has to obey anything, but the Laws of the country they live in. All other obedience is a matter of that persons own morality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingjimmy Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 No. The Seven are global. They are the benchmark by which every religion's list of requirements (inc. atheists'/humanists') is adjudged. You cannot be serious? The 7 noachide laws are crap, I could write a better moral code myself in 5 minutes. prohibition of idolatry? not important, people can worship whatever they want. prohibition of blasphemy? absolutely not, free speech is more important, and if god doesn't like it he can sod off because he's silly. prohibition of 'sexual immorality'? Absolutely not, no-one has any right to interfere with the private behaviour of consenting adults. Ok, so that's 3 out of seven of the laws that are abhorrent and incompatible with a modern free society. There are far more important things to put into law than prohibitions of thoughts, words, and private behaviour. For one thing, there's no prohibtion of slavery, that's a pretty big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharrowman Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 I'm not sure the OP's statement really makes sense - because , erm, god doesn't exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alien52 Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 I'm not sure the OP's statement really makes sense - because , erm, god doesn't exist. I said this in post number 2 ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppet2 Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 The 7 noachide laws are crap, I could write a better moral code myself in 5 minutes. Do enlighten us with your laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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