harvey19 Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 50 years ago we had a two tier education system with 20% going to Grammar Schools and taking 'O' levels, and the other 80% going to Secondary Moderns and not taking 'O' levels, ie only 20% of school leavers had 5 'O' levels. Now we expect 100% of school leavers to have the equivelant of 5 'O' levels, and say that schools are failing if they don't. Not all grammar school pupils achieved 5 GCE O levels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna B Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Not all grammar school pupils achieved 5 GCE O levels OK. so the rate was even less than 20% with 5 'O' levels. Adds to my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 A lady born in 1950 can retire at the age of 60 and 1 month. She will also get her free bus pass then. A lady born in 1955 will not be able to retire until she is 66! She will not get her free bus pass until this time either! Why should a woman born in 1955 have to work all that extra time, paying tax and not getting a free bus pass, when a lady born 5 years earlier can reap tens of thousands in pension and saved bus fares in that time. If you want to know when you can retire google "State pension age calculator" Enter your DOB and sex and it will calculate it for you. WAs it fair that a woman could retire at 60 yet a man had to wait 'til he was 65?..Bet you weren't out moaning about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna B Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 WAs it fair that a woman could retire at 60 yet a man had to wait 'til he was 65?..Bet you weren't out moaning about that? It could be argued that some women never retire. They might finish the paid job, but still have the household to run, shopping, cooking, cleaning etc. Not all partners are 'new men.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tardis Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 It could also be argued that women should work longer than men before they can get a state pension, because they live longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*_ash_* Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 Some good points but there are still plenty of low skilled jobs in the service sector; our young unskilled, uneducated people just need the motivation to take them. Like what though MrSmith? If any motivation has been taken away from people to work, it is by endless governments introducing benefits which encourage people not to work. 50 years ago we had a two tier education system with 20% going to Grammar Schools and taking 'O' levels, and the other 80% going to Secondary Moderns and not taking 'O' levels, ie only 20% of school leavers had 5 'O' levels. Now we expect 100% of school leavers to have the equivelant of 5 'O' levels, and say that schools are failing if they don't. Silly league table type policies that have been introduced in recent times are clearly to try and win votes Anna. Anyone with half a brain knows that we aren't all equal. People have different skills, and instead of nuturing skills, these league tables try to put everyone in the same bag. It could be argued that some women never retire. They might finish the paid job, but still have the household to run, shopping, cooking, cleaning etc. Not all partners are 'new men.' It could also be argued that your argument is equally flawed. The unbolded part would be the first thing I would pick up on (saying this though, I'm not clear whether your comment was sarcastic, or not ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleyman Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 50 years ago we had a two tier education system with 20% going to Grammar Schools and taking 'O' levels, and the other 80% going to Secondary Moderns and not taking 'O' levels, ie only 20% of school leavers had 5 'O' levels. Now we expect 100% of school leavers to have the equivelant of 5 'O' levels, and say that schools are failing if they don't. 50 years ago there were plenty of jobs in industry for those 80% of Secondary Modern school leavers not taking O levels. Recruiters from factories actually came to the schools to talk about apprenticeships in various industries. We live on a whole different planet these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmith Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 Originally Posted by MrSmith View Post Some good points but there are still plenty of low skilled jobs in the service sector; our young unskilled, uneducated people just need the motivation to take them. Like what though MrSmith? That’s a bit of a silly question when the answer in front of the bit you made bold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*_ash_* Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 That’s a bit of a silly question when the answer in front of the bit you made bold. Why is it silly? You said that there are plenty of unskilled jobs, and young unskilled people needed to be motivated to take them... to which I posted 'like what?', and suggested the point that I made, which followed what you quoted of my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 It could be argued that some women never retire. They might finish the paid job, but still have the household to run, shopping, cooking, cleaning etc. Not all partners are 'new men.' What about the blokes that do DIY at home,do the gardening,fix the car...etcetc..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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