andygardener Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 it would be an expensive waste of time to tell us what we already know, which is that the answer would be to stay in When was the last time that even if just given a straight in/out choice rather than renegotiation that more people polled in than out? Certainly not for a long time, so i don't know how you think a referendum would be won by the eurocrats in the UK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penistone999 Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Via Referendum or not? We all know that the reason government`s past and present refuse to hold a referendum is because they know full well that the British public would return a NO vote . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeMaquis Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 We all know that the reason government`s past and present refuse to hold a referendum is because they know full well that the British public would return a NO vote . They didn't in 1975. Two to one YES. If Penistone can think it's in Sheffield then Britain can be in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andygardener Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 They didn't in 1975. Two to one YES. If Penistone can think it's in Sheffield then Britain can be in Europe. I think you'll find the question asked in 1975 was about a free trade area. Anyone who has looked at any polling in the last twenty years knows pretty much any question about the EU as it is now will get a no vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleyman Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Unless every voter is thoroughly acqainted with the economic advantages of being in the EU or the economic consequences/advantages of withdrawing from the EU how are they in a responsible position to be able to vote on the issue. They cant use the anti-EU rants of the Daily Express or the Daily Mail as a yardstick which simply appeal to the patriotic instincts of the reader rather than explaining the real down to earth bread and butter issues involved in voting for such a vitally important step Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmith Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Unless every voter is thoroughly acqainted with the economic advantages of being in the EU or the economic consequences of withdrawing from the EU how are they in a responsible position to be able to vote on the issue. They cant use the anti-EU rants of the Daily Express or the Daily Mail as a yardstick which simply appeal to the patriotic instincts of the reader rather than the real bread and butter issues The same argument could be applied to voting in our government, most people don't understand enough to make an informed choice, but just because they aren’t informed doesn't mean their democratic right to vote should be removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleyman Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 The same argument could be applied to voting in our government, most people don't understand enough to make an informed choice, but just because they aren’t informed doesn't mean their democratic right to vote should be removed. I wont argue with that. It's what's called democracy in action for better or worse and unfortunately more often than not the latter case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andygardener Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Unless every voter is thoroughly acqainted with the economic advantages of being in the EU or the economic consequences/advantages of withdrawing from the EU how are they in a responsible position to be able to vote on the issue. They cant use the anti-EU rants of the Daily Express or the Daily Mail as a yardstick which simply appeal to the patriotic instincts of the reader rather than explaining the real down to earth bread and butter issues involved in voting for such a vitally important step If knowledge of the issues was a prerequisite of voting in US elections how many voters do you think you'd have? 7? 14? Maybe at a pinch 24. Don't think we're some place the US can tell what to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleyman Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 If knowledge of the issues was a prerequisite of voting in US elections how many voters do you think you'd have? 7? 14? Maybe at a pinch 24. Don't think we're some place the US can tell what to do. Now isn't that a typical reaction on this forum . 24 informed voters at most out of a possible voting population of around 150-200 million. It's a wonder with so few informed voters that the country isn't running 10th place behind Haiti instead of still being the world's leading economic power And since when has the US been telling anyone what to do in the matter of the UK remaining or leaving the EU? The only people who will experience the consequences for better or worse on that issue will be the UK citizens themselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andygardener Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Now isn't that a typical reaction on this forum . 24 informed voters at most out of a possible voting population of around 150-200 million. It's a wonder with so few informed voters that the country isn't running 10th place behind Haiti instead of still being the world's leading economic power And since when has the US been telling anyone what to do in the matter of the UK remaining or leaving the EU? The only people who will experience the consequences for better or worse on that issue will be the UK citizens themselves If you people want to elect Richard Nixon, Bill Clinton and George W as your supreme leaders then that is your business. Don't however lecture us on our relationship with the EU like you are the "wise" ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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