Taliban heroin and your street

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Did I say that? No...

 

But yes, as I have said before, the US presence has made the Taliban grow more heroin to raise funds for weapons. But, they were also producing quite a bit before...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Afghanistan_opium_poppy_cultivation_1994-2007b.PNG

 

 

Are you capable of discussing things like an adult?

 

This is a good read on the subject. http://opioids.com/afghanistan/taliban.html

The taliban have nothing to do with growing opium poppys, they imposed a ban right upto the 2001 invasion, they probably do trade in opium but as pointed out 'the coalition of the willing' is doing so.

 

This blog is worth a read about afghan heroin money flow.

http://theragblog.blogspot.com/2010/05/follow-poppies-opium-afghanistan-and-us.html

[spooky3]

This is a good read on the subject. http://opioids.com/afghanistan/taliban.html

The taliban have nothing to do with growing opium poppys, they imposed a ban right upto the 2001 invasion, they probably do trade in opium but as pointed out 'the coalition of the willing' is doing so.

 

This blog is worth a read about afghan heroin money flow.

http://theragblog.blogspot.com/2010/05/follow-poppies-opium-afghanistan-and-us.html

 

Note that that article is dated 2001.

 

Also:

A diplomatic source in Pakistan said: "The drugs trade continues to finance not only the Taliban, but the terrorism their friend Osama bin Laden carries out around the world. If we had spent more on drugs intelligence, we would have known more about terrorism as well, and that would have enabled us to put greater pressure on the Taliban and Mr bin Laden."

 

A collapse of the Taliban, however, could lead to a sharp rise in poppy growing in Afghanistan. The Northern Alliance, which is hoping for international aid in its five-year campaign to drive out the Taliban, recently staged a public burning of opium for Western television cameras, but the United Nations Drugs Control Project (UNDCP) is expected to report shortly that it has made no effort to stop the production, refining and export of heroin from its territory.

 

Doesn't that sort of contradict what you just said!

[spooky3]

You didn't need to.

 

 

 

So after 10 years in Afghanistan, the US has no overall control of the country ? - since the Taliban can do anything they can at will ? - like grow (and guard) as many opium fields as they want ?

 

What was the point of the war again, spooky ?

 

Oh, and what do you think of this :

 

U.S. Turns a Blind Eye to Opium in Afghan Town

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/21/world/asia/21marja.html?pagewanted=all

 

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US Military: Protecting America's Heroin Supply

 

http://congressmanadamsmith.com/ProtectingAmericasHeroinSupply/

 

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Hey, I got an idea CXC, why don't you never answer any questions, tell others what they haven't said and then just ask another question. Reight cleva!!!

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Note that that article is dated 2001.

 

Also:

 

 

Doesn't that sort of contradict what you just said!

 

I chose that article from 2001 as thats when taliban lost its control over afghanistan, there was a decline in cultivation upto the invasion, however now you get bumper crops.

 

'The diplomat source' quote made me think yet the issue still remains that if the trade was funding them why would they impose a ban on it, and a pakistan diplomatic source during the time would be somewhat propaganda as musharraf was in power during the time an allie during this invasion so would be singing the same tune.

 

 

Edit - what ever is going on in the drug trade one thing is for certain 'the coalition of the willing' isn't eradicating it.

[spooky3]

Edit - what ever is going on in the drug trade one thing is for certain 'the coalition of the willing' isn't eradicating it.

 

I agree.

 

 

But i've not seen any contrary evidence saying the Taliban isn't forcing production of it.

 

Yes there was one season when they virtually totally stopped production, but the next it soared.

 

 

When i've documentaries where negotiators are discussing with local tribal leaders the issues are numerous and dangerous for them, never mind a vast reduction in money. One thing is for sure, the money doesn't go into the local economy.

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I agree.

 

 

But i've not seen any contrary evidence saying the Taliban isn't forcing production of it.

 

Yes there was one season when they virtually totally stopped production, but the next it soared.

 

 

When i've documentaries where negotiators are discussing with local tribal leaders the issues are numerous and dangerous for them, never mind a vast reduction in money. One thing is for sure, the money doesn't go into the local economy.

 

The talibans role in the trade is exaggerated, the biggest drug dealers of afghanistan are the ex-warlords currently in power, the flow of opium on that scale through a war torn country where lawlessness is rife requires high ranking connections.

[spooky3]

The talibans role in the trade is exaggerated, the biggest drug dealers of afghanistan are the ex-warlords currently in power, the flow of opium on that scale through a war torn country where lawlessness is rife requires high ranking connections.

 

Have you evidence of this?

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Have you evidence of this?

 

governer of kabul karzai's brother

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/28/world/asia/28intel.html?pagewanted=all

 

sorry should add he's now dead but just shows you.

[spooky3]

governer of kabul karzai's brother

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/28/world/asia/28intel.html?pagewanted=all

 

sorry should add he's now dead but just shows you.

 

But once again:

 

The C.I.A.’s practices also suggest that the United States is not doing everything in its power to stamp out the lucrative Afghan drug trade, a major source of revenue for the Taliban.

 

They are always involved... they control Afghanistan on the ground, no one else!

[spooky3]

Further (same article)

Some American officials said that the allegations of Mr. Karzai’s role in the drug trade were not conclusive.

 

“There’s no proof of Ahmed Wali Karzai’s involvement in drug trafficking, certainly nothing that would stand up in court,” said one American official familiar with the intelligence. “And you can’t ignore what the Afghan government has done for American counterterrorism efforts.”

 

At the start of the Afghan war, just after the 9/11 terrorist attacks in the United States, American officials paid warlords with questionable backgrounds to help topple the Taliban and maintain order with relatively few American troops committed to fight in the country. But as the Taliban has become resurgent and the war has intensified, Americans have increasingly viewed a strong and credible central government as crucial to turning back the Taliban’s advances.