Tony Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Since Cameron refused to sign up to the new European Treaty on Monday, Clegg has been leading the chorus of Lib-Dems refuseniks. Last night there was a mass vote abstention in Parliament by the Lib-Dems when the DUP moved to support the PM. Are the Lib-Dems right to go against Cameron's decision? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Napalm Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Liberals are total sellout appeasers, how can people vote for such a spineless group of nomarks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampersand Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Are the Lib-Dems right to go against Cameron's decision? Of course they are if that is what they believe - isn't that what democracy is all about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 IMHO, they screwed up majorly - both politically and in their (expected) requirement to act in the nation's best interest. But then again, it is the LibDems we are talking about Are the Lib-Dems right to go against Cameron's decision?On a rational basis, no. It was clear as day Sarkozy and Merkel wanted the hide of the City...doing their own "repatriating" (of financial boon) to Paris and Frankfurt's trading quarters. And clear as muck what the UK would surrender further, by agreeing (as the latest news are now starting to highlight). On a political basis, they don't have a choice. After Clegg's too high-profile dissent, they either toe the party line laid down by Clegg en masse (as they did), or don't and a new Party leader would be required. Toeing the party line is less damaging for the Coalition than a glaring disconnect between the Deputy PM and his MPs, so QED. Clegg was quite laughable in his recent party speech, about 'not wanting to provoke a new general election'. Of course he doesn't: with Cameron on the high he's currently at, and Clegg and Milliband's current ratings, it'd be a walkthrough for the Tories! EDIT - to echo a point I made this morning in the other EU-car-crash thread, I wouldn't be the least surprised if Clegg had hopes (like other EU premiers on Friday/Saturday) that Cameron would quickly backtrack on his NO (IF he said no) and, as a consequence, lose a lot of political pull (to Clegg's benefit). If that's the case, it's backfiring quite badly, innit? Can't wait for PMQs today, should be a good'un Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Meh, I still vote Lib Dem in local and National elections. Better them that old numpty boy Cameron and his Merchant Banker cronies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingus Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Liberals are total sellout appeasers, how can people vote for such a spineless group of nomarks? I do wonder what they are doing. If they were to pull out of the coalition they have alienated so many people that they would face electoral annihilation. Clegg himself would probably lose his seat to a tory. I think it is a classic catch 22 situation and one that has strengthened Camerons position and gained him respect from the electorate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandad.Malky Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 I do wonder what they are doing. If they were to pull out of the coalition they have alienated so many people that they would face electoral annihilation. Clegg himself would probably lose his seat to a tory. . You don’t need a crystal ball to see that coming ………….. I can wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecky Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Another utterly pointless poll because it'll be a foregone conclusion knowing some of the idiotic posters/comments on these forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magilla Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Another utterly pointless poll because it'll be a foregone conclusion knowing some of the idiotic posters/comments on these forums. You could stop posting, that'd stop the vast majority of posts like those you describe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecky Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 You could stop posting, that'd stop the vast majority of posts like those you describe. Likewise I'm sure. Besides, why would I want to do that? What you mean is why you can't have an easier life and get away with things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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