danot Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 As Cyclone says, you're mistaken. Universities are, in the main, private charities. They don't belong to the state, they belong to themselves.Who are they owned by? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danot Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 It’s not relevant; the point is they don't pay it back unless they reach an income which is well over minimum wage.Are you talking about the initial tuition fees that universities charge, or are you talking about the general debt that students are left with after they graduate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grafikhaus74 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 So far, this dopey bird, Poundland, A4e and others have all been blamed. Meanwhile the list of 18-24 year olds without a job just keeps rising. So does the number of all ages continue to rise, and the real culprits are the Government (of all persuasions). Starting with Labours' deliberate destruction of this country by letting between 3 and 5 million people to come here, and now continuing under the Tories at a rate of 'only' 250,000 a year, how can this (or any other) country possibly create enough jobs to just keep unemployment static? Don't tell me. They're 'doing jobs the British don't want' and that other load of claptrap 'Who will look after our old people?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danot Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Why? It doesn't affect your credit score and won't affect your ability to take out a loan in the future.But it will affect your ability to have any quality of life until your circumstances change. Paying-off huge debts from minimum wage earnings on top having to contend with rapidly rising living costs must be soul destroying for someone that aspired to be so much more when they started uni. What would be the point of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Could you show me evidence that confirms that that is the case? Do you have any evidence that they are state owned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 If these companies want staff to work for them, then they should pay wages out of their own profits. Do they expect it, or are they doing it because they were asked? They shouldn't expect free workers at the taxpayers expense who are on work placement (or slave labour as it used to be called). Slaves have no choice and don't get paid, not even benefits. People say the long term have a choice, either to accept the work placement or lose their benefits. Its hardly a fair choice now is it? Seems completely fair to me. For all those people in favour of this, one day you might find yourself in this very situation, and lets see how smug you are when you given the choice of measly jobseekers allowance or starving/losing your home. Given that choice I think everyone would be happy to take JSA wouldn't they? As a taxpayer, why do I have to fund these nasty companies so they can have their slave labour? You aren't funding those companies, if you have a complaint you should direct it to your MP and it should be about the scheme itself, not the companies participating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danot Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Do you have any evidence that they are state owned?It's common knowledge that the vast majority of universities are government financed which is why students were protesting at the governments proposals to increase tuition fees. Taking this into account, it'd be hard to argue that universities are not government owned institutions of higher education. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 It's easily argued. The Government doesn't own them. Nobody owns them, they are charities, like the RSPCA, Save the Golden Goose, or Action For Gilded Lillys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danot Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Nobody owns them, they are charities, like the RSPCA, Save the Golden Goose Lilly, or Action For Gilded Lillys.And how is this charity able to function? Is it by fund raising and donations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 And how is this charity able to function? Is it by fund raising and donations? Charities get their money from all sorts of places including those that you suggest. That doesn't mean that they are owned or controlled by the government, even if they are part funded by the government. Moreover, fees are now paid by the student, not the government. The government lends the student the money, but it is still the students money that pays the universities tuition fees. The student pays the government back. This isn't really open to interpretation so you might as well move the discussion on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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