Chris_Sleeps Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 but what has Calvinism got to do with the industrial revolution? There is a solid link between the protestant movement and modern capitalism. It would take a while to explain the whole history. As a basic explanation the Catholic church held their wealth in land, and the protestant church was made up of a merchant class which held their wealth in capital, or money, investments, etc. This is widely respected, but I've yet to read it myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quisquose Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Just look at this timeline map of great ideas: http://www.1-900-870-6235.com/eLearning/GreatIdeas/TimeLineMap.htm Notice the explosion of ideas with the advent of Christianity, and how they perfectly match the rise in Christianity. Oh wait, they didn't and they don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackyop50 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Just look at this timeline map of great ideas: http://www.1-900-870-6235.com/eLearning/GreatIdeas/TimeLineMap.htm Notice the explosion of ideas with the advent of Christianity, and how they perfectly match the rise in Christianity. Oh wait, they didn't and they don't. Thanks ill print that for kids. whats your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteMorris Posted January 13, 2012 Author Share Posted January 13, 2012 Someone earlier said that the Jews had 2000 years and nothing happened (technologically), and pagans thousands of years before that. I don't really subscribe to there being stagnation before 'Christianity'. It's more to do with the evolution of understanding. Ideas and inventions and an understanding of science, merely drives further advances. That's why since the industrial revolution there has been a quantum leap in technology. Nothing to do with any religion or creed. It's a drive to improve...Lets make something faster, or quicker, or last longer, or whatever. It's still happening now, and will continue. The fastest and best computer you can get these days, you can bet someone is sat somewhere thinking how they can make it better, smaller, and quicker than the best there is now, and so it goes on. Admitteldly nowadays it's commercialism that probably drives it, and probably always was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackyop50 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Someone earlier said that the Jews had 2000 years and nothing happened (technologically), and pagans thousands of years before that. I don't really subscribe to there being stagnation before 'Christianity'. It's more to do with the evolution of understanding. Ideas and inventions and an understanding of science, merely drives further advances. That's why since the industrial revolution there has been a quantum leap in technology. Nothing to do with any religion or creed. It's a drive to improve...Lets make something faster, or quicker, or last longer, or whatever. It's still happening now, and will continue. The fastest and best computer you can get these days, you can bet someone is sat somewhere thinking how they can make it better, smaller, and quicker than the best there is now, and so it goes on. Admitteldly nowadays it's commercialism that probably drives it, and probably always was. I think we would be pre industrial revolution for valid reasons stated. good thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 I think we would be pre industrial revolution for valid reasons stated. good thread. You really think we would still be in the state were were 3-400 years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteMorris Posted January 13, 2012 Author Share Posted January 13, 2012 I think we would be pre industrial revolution for valid reasons stated. good thread. I know you said "for reasons stated"..... But why would you think that?....I don't quite 'get' the connection. There have been advances in technology since the stone age......bronze age...iron age.....Just because we've leapt in those advancements since the industrial revolution is just a measure of mans nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmith Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 I know you said "for reasons stated"..... But why would you think that?....I don't quite 'get' the connection. There have been advances in technology since the stone age......bronze age...iron age.....Just because we've leapt in those advancements since the industrial revolution is just a measure of mans nature. There have, but not quite as fast as those advances brought about by war, advances tend to be very slow until times of war, many of the technologies we have today have their roots in the 1st and 2nd WW's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteMorris Posted January 13, 2012 Author Share Posted January 13, 2012 There have, but not quite as fast as those advances brought about by war, advances tend to be very slow until times of war, many of the technologies we have today have their roots in the 1st and 2nd WW's. I'll concede that your 'partly' right about war feeding technologies. But you're assuming there wouldn't have been any wars without the advent of Christianity or other religions. I'm sure man being 'man' we would have thought of something to fight over, even if there was no religion of any sort! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackyop50 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 I know you said "for reasons stated"..... But why would you think that?....I don't quite 'get' the connection. There have been advances in technology since the stone age......bronze age...iron age.....Just because we've leapt in those advancements since the industrial revolution is just a measure of mans nature. Mans nature. Its also mans motivation. Christianity in the Calvinist form provided the funds that got us where we are now, also as the motivation. No other religion or ideology cult and fad did this. Some including some forms of Christian faith have held humans back and reversed progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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