ampersand Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 I thought they passed on messages from the bible. You make it sound like God talks directly to them, having secret conversations. A vicar is very different to a medium, like it or not. I'm no expert, but what are the ten commandments if not messages purportedly from God I thought most of the New Testament was all about God and his son - but I could be wrong, being an atheist edit - what difference does it make whether the "message" was written down many moons ago, or is passed on psychicly (allegedly) - it's still unproveable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootsBooster Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 I'm no expert, but what are the ten commandments if not messages purportedly from God I thought most of the New Testament was all about God and his son - but I could be wrong, being an atheist edit - what difference does it make whether the "message" was written down many moons ago, or is passed on psychicly (allegedly) - it's still unproveable The difference is, the ten commanments exist in writing for all to see. The bible is the root source of them, it can be traced back (to an extent, there is no reason to think that God gave them though). Messages from a medium have no source which can be checked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampersand Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 the ten commandments have indeed been written down - but the original source is unproveable - it is claimed that they came from God to Moses, and someone wrote them down in a book (the original tablets of stone have long gone, if they ever existed) - maybe Moses was an early psychic/medium - by your argument, if a psychic/medium wrote down a message they claim to have received from the dead, it makes it acceptable - I just don't see the difference The Bible isn't a source which can be checked out - it's a book written mostly by peoples unknown with little independently verifiable proof of any of the religious aspects of it - just because an old book says something is true, doesn't make it so - I'm happy for those who believe to believe without the need for proof, I just don't see why it should be any different for those who believe in psychics/mediums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootsBooster Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 the ten commandments have indeed been written down - but the original source is unproveable - it is claimed that they came from God to Moses, and someone wrote them down in a book (the original tablets of stone have long gone, if they ever existed) - maybe Moses was an early psychic/medium - by your argument, if a psychic/medium wrote down a message they claim to have received from the dead, it makes it acceptable - I just don't see the difference The Bible isn't a source which can be checked out - it's a book written mostly by peoples unknown with little independently verifiable proof of any of the religious aspects of it - just because an old book says something is true, doesn't make it so - I'm happy for those who believe to believe without the need for proof, I just don't see why it should be any different for those who believe in psychics/mediums I didn't mean the bible can be checked out as in, you can say it's fact - it can't, but if a vicar tells you the bible says "Thou shalt not kill" then you can go and check that it does. Any "message from God" that a vicar passes on is old news. If a medium tells someone that their uncle Pete says "you should trust a tall man who will soon come into your life" how are they to know whether or not this is true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootsBooster Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 by your argument, if a psychic/medium wrote down a message they claim to have received from the dead, it makes it acceptable - I just don't see the difference You don't see the difference between "messages from the dead" and the bible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert_Baehr Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 You don't see the difference between "messages from the dead" and the bible? I've just scrolled to the bottom of the page. There's an advert for Prostate Cancer treatment 'Arm yourself with the facts'. Messages from the dead or the Bible? If you live in a country where the language used is not English then whatever it is which suggests adverts can really screw up. (Some of the adverts I see at the bottom of the page in this forum when I'm in Germany are hilarious.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampersand Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 You don't see the difference between "messages from the dead" and the bible? no (or do I mean yes) - I see no difference between a self proclaimed man of religion telling me that what is written in a book is the word of God, (or his son) and is therefore true, and a self proclaimed psychic/medium telling me that what he/she is saying is the word of someone I once knew If a man of religion tells me that my grandmother has gone to a better world because that is what God/Jesus/The Bible says - how is that more true than a psychic/medium telling me that my Grandmother says she is happy now but I should get my haircut? Neither can be proved and, to me, both are equally (im)plausible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muckymurphy Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 psychics are not doing anything that has not already been done by mohammed, jesus, budhha........... ordinary people doing and visualising extraordinary things. if i want to know about the past or the future i will consult someone with the capability to tell me, just as i would look at my CV to see what i did in the past then look at my skills to give me an idea of what i am likely to be doing in the future. i would rather listen to a psychic than someone telling me islam is coming to the whole planet or standing on my doorstep spouting verbal diarrhoea about what is printed in the bible and what will happen to me if i dont follow THEIR beliefs. one thing i know for sure is that i will eventually die richer than i was when i was born. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Sidney Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 I wonder why Sheffield Forum is allowing adverts for psychics to appear on their pages when it is obvious to the majority that they exploit vulnerable people and provide no useful purpose whatsoever. In fact they can do a lot of harm. Does the forum have any control over who advertises on it? The link is here: http://www.liveperson.com/experts Because its a business and they make money from it. I remember years ago putting a complaint in to The Star. They did an article about the evils of prostitution and at the same time had a dozen adverts from "Escorts".... They replied that their editorial policy couldn't be influenced by their commercial policy..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cressida Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 They replied that their editorial policy couldn't be influenced by their commercial policy..... let nothing stand in the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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