Mecky Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Not murderer, perhaps, but as good as one http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16590662 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadingNorth Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Not murderer, perhaps, but as good as one http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16590662 What's horrifying is that we had to rely on a European court for that ruling. Our own British courts should be quick to dismiss all charges, against anybody, where evidence has been gathered against them by means of torture. Why didn't that happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecky Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 What's horrifying is that we had to rely on a European court for that ruling. Our own British courts should be quick to dismiss all charges, against anybody, where evidence has been gathered against them by means of torture. Why didn't that happen? So you're saying he's innocent then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingjimmy Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 So you're saying he's innocent then? No he clearly isn't. He's saying "Our own British courts should be quick to dismiss all charges, against anybody, where evidence has been gathered against them by means of torture" If he meant 'he's innocent' then I imagine he probably would have said so, rather than saying something completely different that only a moron could interpret as meaning 'he's innocent'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leah-Lacie Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 So you're saying he's innocent then? What I think he said was that if the only evidence against him was basically forced using torture, a position in which people will say anything to make it stop, then all charges should be dropped, at least until there is real evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricgem2002 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 send him back and let him swing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conrod Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 What's horrifying is that we had to rely on a European court for that ruling. Our own British courts should be quick to dismiss all charges, against anybody, where evidence has been gathered against them by means of torture. Why didn't that happen?Are you for real? People whose organisation thinks it's fine to capture aid workers and cut their heads off with a garden saw in front of a camera deserve no protection from torture. Sometimes unpalatable things need to be done to prevent worse things from happening. That includes using robust interrogation techniques on terrorists who have information we need. That man deserves no compassion from anybody. He needs to find himself at the end of a rope, and if that follows some inventive use of kitchen implements by a government whose citizens have been on the receiving end of his crimes, all the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingjimmy Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Are you for real? People whose organisation thinks it's fine to capture aid workers and cut their heads off with a garden saw in front of a camera deserve no protection from torture. It's not just a human rights issue. Another huge concern is that information gleaned from torturing is simply not reliable at all. People will confess to practically anything if put through enough pain. Sometimes unpalatable things need to be done to prevent worse things from happening.Can you give some examples of that ever happening? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conrod Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 It's not just a human rights issue. Another huge concern is that information gleaned from torturing is simply not reliable at all. People will confess to practically anything if put through enough pain. True, but they will also reveal things they do know. Can you give some examples of that ever happening? Certainly. - A policeman shooting an armed lunatic who's shooting innocent members of the public. Happened many times. - Iranian embassy terrorists being killed to free hostages. - Military assets and people in Bosnia being bombed by NATO to prevent ethnic cleansing. It could become a very long list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadingNorth Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 True, but they will also reveal things they do know. And since you can't tell which is which, it is unthinkable that any information gained from torture should be used in a trial. It's unreliable to such an extent that it can be dismissed out of hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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