RootsBooster Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 When will people finally realise that we are all here as a result of the conditions of the universe, and we're all going to die, there is no god, and we'll all be subsumed into nothingness. Get used to it. We're here because of a cosmic accident. And in a few million years we won't be. Enjoy it while you can. Well, while you're probably right, you can't say for sure that you're right. Until it has been proved there will inevitably be people who don't think this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryedo40 Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 ... If this something that I believe in is the same something that Christians believe in, it would be God. Don't you understand that if you ask different Christians about their god, they will all give different conflicting attributes for god. God beliefs are subjective. It's one of the reasons why there are so many different religions and branches of Christianity. You can't accurately say you believe in the same something as Christians, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janie48 Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Don't you understand that if you ask different Christians about their god, they will all give different conflicting attributes for god. God beliefs are subjective. It's one of the reasons why there are so many different religions and branches of Christianity. You can't accurately say you believe in the same something as Christians, etc. Even with the same branch of Christianity there can be many different views,and people you may not have anything in common with other then sharing the same faith.Yet some people do seem to stereotype and generalise in their judgements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmith Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Don't you understand that if you ask different Christians about their god, they will all give different conflicting attributes for god. God beliefs are subjective. It's one of the reasons why there are so many different religions and branches of Christianity. You can't accurately say you believe in the same something as Christians, etc. And that’s because God only exists within an emotional human mind and just like the other emotions it is perceived differently for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halibut Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Well, while you're probably right, you can't say for sure that you're right. Until it has been proved there will inevitably be people who don't think this. It cannot ever be proved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootsBooster Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 It cannot ever be proved. How do you know this? Science makes new discoveries every day, why are you so certain that we can't possibly one day find in-depth conclusive proof that we're " a result of the conditions of the universe" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danot Posted January 25, 2012 Author Share Posted January 25, 2012 That just come back to I don't know why the universe is here but it must have been caused and if it was caused there must also be something else I don't know about to allow it to happen. You are making something up so that which you made up works. Isn't that what physicists do before they establish whether or not their theories are flawed? I'm fairly sure that as yet, physicists have not been unable to establish whether or not creationism is flawed. All that's been established so far is- 'For there to be a creator, the creator must have had a creator also.. and so on and so on. which presents us with an infinite regressive loop which couldn't possibly be the case, therefore, we have to accept that any creator must must have always existed without cause, which opens up another possibility. If creationists believe that it is possible that things can have always existed without cause, we might as well assume that the universe has always existed without cause'. Which would be a reasonable assumption considering that everyone agrees that things can exist without cause. But does this establish that the universe has always existed without cause?... of course not. Does this establish that a creator cannot have always existed without cause?... of course not. Does this establish that a creator can exist without cause?... of course not. Does this establish that neither physicists or creationists can agree on what caused the universe to exist?... I'd say yes. Some physicists prefer to believe that there is no reason to invoke a creator if (before time and space existed)the universe just popped into existence out of nothing without cause, which implies that physicists believe that things which don't exist can pop into existence out of nothing, which opens up another possibility. If physicists believe that it is possible that things which don't exist can pop into existence out of nothing, we might as well assume that a creator popped into existence out of nothing, which is a reasonable assumption considering everyone agrees that things which do not exist can pop into existence out of nothing. But does this establish that the universe popped into existence out of nothing?... of course not. Does this establish that a creator popped into existence out of nothing?... of course not. Does this establish that both physicists and theists believe that things that don't exist can pop into existence out of nothing without cause?... I'd say yes. Does this establish that physicists make up things also?... I'd say yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmith Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Isn't that what physicists do before they establish whether or not their theories are flawed? I'm not sure why you always bring physicists into every difficult question you are asked, why not just think for yourself, it doesn’t take a physicist to know that something exists. What we know is that something must have always existed; we also know that matter can turn to energy and energy to matter; we know everything is made of the same insignificantly small bits. We know the universe goes on as far as we can see so and there is no reason to assume there is a point where its stops. Because something must have always existed we may as well assume it is the thing that we know exists, it is significantly more likely than something we don’t know exists as always existed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danot Posted January 25, 2012 Author Share Posted January 25, 2012 Other than the fact that the creator supposedly told the people that wrote the various religious books what to write which turned out to be wrong, so there is no reason to think any of it is correct, and as many people have always thought it was written by a man using his own imagination. It’s amazing what we can create in our minds that can’t possibly exist.You seem to think that you can't hold views on creationism unless you're a follower of the Bile and Koran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danot Posted January 25, 2012 Author Share Posted January 25, 2012 An atheist can believe it was created by some kind of reaction, if they prove that matter can spontaneously come into existence from a vacuum then the universe was created by a vacuum, and not an all powerful all knowing entity. The point is that most atheists probably don’t care why the universe is here and they can live with the fact that it is just here. Theists do care where is came from and because they don’t know why or how it came into existence it must have been created by a God.But has it been proved that it was created by some spontaneous reaction, or is it just an hypothetical theory based on abstract mathematical structures of quantum physics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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