Muldoon Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Not biting Muldoon. Spoilsport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Tamudo Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 I always find the comments fascinating. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/9027846/The-rise-of-the-overclass.html#disqus_thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoatwobbler Posted January 21, 2012 Author Share Posted January 21, 2012 Doesn't having an overclass mean somebody is going to be an underclass? Suppose they don't like being an underclass. The article does discuss this, although that's where it gets a tad dodgy IMHO as it's more interested in trying to claim that the middle classes rather then poorest in society are in fact the most downtrodden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 I always find the comments fascinating. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/9027846/The-rise-of-the-overclass.html#disqus_thread The Telegraph's comments are often ruined by too many UKIP supporters who have to demean every article into a ridiculous rant about immigrants. However if you can read through the mire, there are also some gems aswell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buck Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Further down the article is this.... Murray exposes how the new United States upper class, which he labels a “cognitive elite”, has developed an hereditary stranglehold over the top professions and management positions. The brightest people tend to marry each other, then ensure that their offspring get to the best schools and universities, with the result that, to quote Murray: “The parents of the upper-middle class now produce a disproportionate number of the smartest children.” These gilded families then inter-marry and socialise together, living in the same areas, creating a phenomenon which Murray label United States, where the cleverest and richest congregate. What Versailles was to 18th-century France, these smart postcodes are to 21st-century America – a sure sign of a sclerotic social system and long-term decline. This is worthy of a discussion. Has the developed world, become, as such in the last 30 years, by an upper echelon who has breed with itself in order to achieve an ultimate dominance. Did we not have in the Britain of my youth something called the Establishment? Was n't this where the priveleged sent their boys to Eton, Harrow or Winchester, then Oxford or Cambridge, or Sandhurst or Dartmouth to become officers and gentlemen. Afterwards to work in the Foreign Office, and live in places like Chatsworth, supported by you and I and the National Trust. So where's the difference? There are American enclaves of the very rich, who live in gated communities with their private golf clubs, sometimes even with a runway where you can park your learjet at home after a hard day at the penthouse. But the American middle class, of which I am a proud member, is still vast to this day, despite serious attempts by Wall Street to destroy it. If America is in a decline, the West needs to worry, not snigger up their sleeves, because the West will decline a lot quicker than us. We still have just about every raw material we need within the boundaries of this continent to survive if we have to. Can Europe say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthenekred Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 . Can Europe say that? yes ....................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Did we not have in the Britain of my youth something called the Establishment? Was n't this where the priveleged sent their boys to Eton, Harrow or Winchester, then Oxford or Cambridge, or Sandhurst or Dartmouth to become officers and gentlemen. Afterwards to work in the Foreign Office, and live in places like Chatsworth, supported by you and I and the National Trust. So where's the difference? There are American enclaves of the very rich, who live in gated communities with their private golf clubs, sometimes even with a runway where you can park your learjet at home after a hard day at the penthouse. But the American middle class, of which I am a proud member, is still vast to this day, despite serious attempts by Wall Street to destroy it. If America is in a decline, the West needs to worry, not snigger up their sleeves, because the West will decline a lot quicker than us. We still have just about every raw material we need within the boundaries of this continent to survive if we have to. Can Europe say that? I can assure you we are not sniggering in Europe Buck. We are very afraid. But what you need to realise, is that your gap between rich and poor is bigger than ours, and the worry is, we keep on following you. This we need to stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvp82 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 I wonder why the Daily Torygraph would say that? Quite clearly it's sabre rattling, they know this is the most unpopular government since Thatcher and are trying to influence public opinion. A media company trying to do that ... imagine The most unpopular government since thatcher you say and yet a yougov poll on jan 19th still had them in front of labour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercurian Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 The "overclasses" will always dip their greedy snouts deep into the trough in times of recession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 The "overclasses" will always dip their greedy snouts deep into the trough in times of recession. It looks like the overclasses are about to get a slice of a Mansion Tax. GO VINCE! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/liberaldemocrats/9030124/Vince-Cable-calls-for-mansion-tax-in-next-Budget.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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