Murphy Jnr Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 that was my point murphy, the sicko who left the child WASN'T a young chav - he was 50 odd. also if you don't 'differentiate between breeds' then you know bugger all about dogs -oh look a ridgeback and over there is an american pitbull terrier, and there's a yorkie, they are all equally aggressive and powerful. you don't really believe that - be honest I suspect his fleeing had to do with his own fear over not giving a crap. Yeah he was wrong but we react to circumstance don't we. I am more than familiar with Pit types, Staffies, Rottweiler's, Akita's, Shepherds and everything in between to know that there are good and bad so I have nothing against any of them. I know what all of them are capable of and I'm well aware of what some have done but I see no reason to label them all and I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank ryan Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 just checked defra website - the bloke is facing up to 2 years in prison on conviction, lets hope they throw the book at him - reported that he gave a false name and adress to the kid's parents - the scumbag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank ryan Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 I suspect his fleeing had to do with his own fear over not giving a crap. Yeah he was wrong but we react to circumstance don't we. I am more than familiar with Pit types, Staffies, Rottweiler's, Akita's, Shepherds and everything in between to know that there are good and bad so I have nothing against any of them. I know what all of them are capable of and I'm well aware of what some have done but I see no reason to label them all and I don't. good point - you know what they are capable of but ignore it. that's completely irrational and typical of the dangerous dog fraternity's mass delusion. do you think the bloke in this incident should go to prison? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphy Jnr Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 very wise caitlin - dogs are not people and different breeds are differently dangerous, if you choose to own a dog capable of inflicting serious harm , then surely you can put a muzzle on it - it doesn't affect the dog in any way except to stop it biting - it can breathe normally, run and jump - 'fetch' might be difficult. the rule has to be - dog bites, dog dies. What of those that bite out of fear of what might happen if they do not. What about a dog that has just been poled into a council pound and is scared enough to do anything to be safe. There are circumstances that a lot of people fail to see as a reason for some behaviours a dog displays and I don't profess to know them all but I am aware that a dog may bite me. The girl was attacked which is something none of want to see and in this case along with many others the dog will be put to sleep. I have no real objection though I don't like to see it happen. The fact that some revel in the chance to have one killed is ugly but it is an expected reaction now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medusa Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 I think the problem is that most people treat dogs like children, they are not children, they are animals and don't understand everything you tell them to do. once they have done something like this you can't tell them off and tell them not to do it again an then it won't do it. They need to be put to sleep or locked away day and night so they haven't got the chance to do it again. No life for the dog being locked away though, is it. If it did become illegal to walk a dog without a muzzle, these people that complain and say they won't muzzle their dog are also owners that need blaming for things like this happening! If it helps for things like this to stop, its worth doing without complaining. Excuse me, but in my earlier post I did say that if my dog hurt a human deliberately (by this I mean that she didn't hurt them by accident or in play) then I'd take my dog to be put to sleep myself. I'm not complacent or in denial. I'm under no illusion whatsoever that she's plenty big enough to cause serious and lasting damage (she's a GSD, not a staffy) and for that reason she is well trained, socialised with humans, cats and farm animals (she's a rescue dog and came to me acutely scared of other dogs, which we are still working on) and she is given some very firm boundaries in her life so that I hope I will never need to ever take a decision as dreadful as having her put to sleep for a behavioural reason. I love my dog too much to let her end up in a kennel without attention or love and so I'd rather end her life than have her end up like that. If you think that big dog owners have never contemplated the situations in which they may have to have their own dogs euthenised then I think you are mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medusa Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 just checked defra website - the bloke is facing up to 2 years in prison on conviction, lets hope they throw the book at him - reported that he gave a false name and adress to the kid's parents - the scumbag If you believe everything that is reported in the press then you've just gone down in my estimation! The police will deal with it and obviously he has a conscience or he wouldn't have handed himself in to the police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmith Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 I think the problem is that most people treat dogs like children, they are not children, they are animals and don't understand everything you tell them to do. once they have done something like this you can't tell them off and tell them not to do it again an then it won't do it. They need to be put to sleep or locked away day and night so they haven't got the chance to do it again. No life for the dog being locked away though, is it. If it did become illegal to walk a dog without a muzzle, these people that complain and say they won't muzzle their dog are also owners that need blaming for things like this happening! If it helps for things like this to stop, its worth doing without complaining. Most dogs are more pleasant, tolerant and intelligent than some humans and if you are attacked the chances are it won’t be a dog, it will be a human. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank ryan Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 What of those that bite out of fear of what might happen if they do not. What about a dog that has just been poled into a council pound and is scared enough to do anything to be safe. There are circumstances that a lot of people fail to see as a reason for some behaviours a dog displays and I don't profess to know them all but I am aware that a dog may bite me. The girl was attacked which is something none of want to see and in this case along with many others the dog will be put to sleep. I have no real objection though I don't like to see it happen. The fact that some revel in the chance to have one killed is ugly but it is an expected reaction now. no no no - it won't be 'put to sleep' - it will be 'killed' it isn't going to nighty nighty sleepy land to dream of big bones- it's going to dead - and that's because it mauled a child and left her with physical and psychological injuries which will affect the course of her life. the scumbag who owned it chose to have a powerful, aggressive dog and carries responsibility for that, as does any other idiot who thinks akitas, pitbulls, ridgebacks etc are house pets - they aren't. when someone's thinking of getting a dog, why do they choose these? what's lacking in them that needs to be filled by a dangerous, potentially lethal creature - my view is that a dog of this kind is simply a response to an inadequate personality tainted by a macho view of themself that nature hasn't fulfilled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphy Jnr Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 good point - you know what they are capable of but ignore it. that's completely irrational and typical of the dangerous dog fraternity's mass delusion. do you think the bloke in this incident should go to prison? Explain how i ignore the facts first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBiz Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 I think the dog has to put down, sadly, as I think it would be unfair to expect the public to be exposed to a dog that has shown this sort of aggression to a child. The owner I believe should be heavily punished inc being banned for life from keeping any dog. He may have had no belief that his dog could ever do such a thing, but it did, and that might well suggest he is not a capable and competent person to own a dog in future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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