frank ryan Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Most dogs are more pleasant, tolerant and intelligent than some humans and if you are attacked the chances are it won’t be a dog, it will be a human. my dog is more pleasant and tolerant than me , that's for sure - but more intelligent? - perhaps in your case, but I can read and write and dogzy can't! a kid's seriously injured cos some **** decided to own a bull terrier, that's the issue. If he'd chosen a safe breed , the child would be eating her sunday dinner and be off to school in the morning and the owner wouldn't be in the papers tomorrow and facing 2 years in jail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medusa Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 very wise caitlin - dogs are not people and different breeds are differently dangerous, if you choose to own a dog capable of inflicting serious harm , then surely you can put a muzzle on it - it doesn't affect the dog in any way except to stop it biting - it can breathe normally, run and jump - 'fetch' might be difficult. the rule has to be - dog bites, dog dies. ALL big dogs are powerful enough to cause huge damage in the event that they were to bite someone, yet 'you must muzzle your dog' takes no notice of the likelihood that the dog will bite- it tars them all with the same brush and every Newfoundland that has never said boo to a goose must be muzzled along with the mastiffs. After that we can start looking at what makes a 'big dog'. Most Staffies are really quite small in stature compared to GSDs, labradors, greyhounds and lots of other breeds. Some of the worst damage I ever saw from a mauling was caused by an Old English Sheepdog who, aged 5 and with no previous history of violence, attacked and killed 2 cats, a number of chickens and other fowl and then started on the other family dog and one of the children. She sustained serious arm injuries and if he'd have got his mouth around her neck I have no doubt that the same bite would have killed her. The dog was taken to the vets and examined before being destroyed and the vet was of the opinion that the rampage was caused by undiagnosed epilepsy, no symptoms of which were visible up to that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBiz Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 my dog is more pleasant and tolerant than me , that's for sure - but more intelligent? - perhaps in your case, but I can read and write and dogzy can't! a kid's seriously injured cos some **** decided to own a bull terrier, that's the issue. If he'd chosen a safe breed , the child would be eating her sunday dinner and be off to school in the morning and the owner wouldn't be in the papers tomorrow and facing 2 years in jail Go on then, enlighten us as to which the 'safe' breeds are please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medusa Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 my dog is more pleasant and tolerant than me , that's for sure - but more intelligent? - perhaps in your case, but I can read and write and dogzy can't! a kid's seriously injured cos some **** decided to own a bull terrier, that's the issue. If he'd chosen a safe breed , the child would be eating her sunday dinner and be off to school in the morning and the owner wouldn't be in the papers tomorrow and facing 2 years in jail There is no such thing as a 'safe' breed. I guarantee that if you hurt any dog enough it will bite you. One of my friends has a very sweet and gentle shihtzu, who is basically a stuffed toy that moves (sometimes). He caught one of his claws and broke it down inside his toe, causing him to limp and the toe to bleed quite profusely. My friend asked me for help in taking a look at the toe because the dog wouldn't hold still and let her clean it up, and when she was holding him he was obviously in great pain because he bit her rather than let me clean up his foot. Is he a dangerous dog too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBiz Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Can I just add that the reason i think the owner should be severely punished, is more because he left the child and ran off, not stopping and doing the right thing, than because the dog did what it did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caitlin09 Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Excuse me, but in my earlier post I did say that if my dog hurt a human deliberately (by this I mean that she didn't hurt them by accident or in play) then I'd take my dog to be put to sleep myself. I'm not complacent or in denial. I'm under no illusion whatsoever that she's plenty big enough to cause serious and lasting damage (she's a GSD, not a staffy) and for that reason she is well trained, socialised with humans, cats and farm animals (she's a rescue dog and came to me acutely scared of other dogs, which we are still working on) and she is given some very firm boundaries in her life so that I hope I will never need to ever take a decision as dreadful as having her put to sleep for a behavioural reason. I love my dog too much to let her end up in a kennel without attention or love and so I'd rather end her life than have her end up like that. If you think that big dog owners have never contemplated the situations in which they may have to have their own dogs euthenised then I think you are mistaken. Why do I need to excuse you? I never said anything about your dog hurting a human!? all I am saying is why complain about having to muzzle your dog if it did become illegal if it helps to stop vicious dogs being able to do things like this. My dog isn't vicious towards people but I would muzzle him if it helps to stop things like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBiz Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Why do I need to excuse you? I never said anything about your dog hurting a human!? all I am saying is why complain about having to muzzle your dog if it did become illegal if it helps to stop vicious dogs being able to do things like this. My dog isn't vicious towards people but I would muzzle him if it helps to stop things like this. If your dog isn't viscious, how exactly would muzzling him help stop another aggressive dog from attacking someone? It's a none arguement you're making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caitlin09 Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 If your dog isn't viscious, how exactly would muzzling him help stop another aggressive dog from attacking someone? It's a none arguement you're making. If it was to be made illegal I would muzzle him without complaining to stop things like this. I think it's a great idea to have to muzzle all dogs and I think more people should be for it than against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank ryan Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 ALL big dogs are powerful enough to cause huge damage in the event that they were to bite someone, yet 'you must muzzle your dog' takes no notice of the likelihood that the dog will bite- it tars them all with the same brush and every Newfoundland that has never said boo to a goose must be muzzled along with the mastiffs. After that we can start looking at what makes a 'big dog'. Most Staffies are really quite small in stature compared to GSDs, labradors, greyhounds and lots of other breeds. Some of the worst damage I ever saw from a mauling was caused by an Old English Sheepdog who, aged 5 and with no previous history of violence, attacked and killed 2 cats, a number of chickens and other fowl and then started on the other family dog and one of the children. She sustained serious arm injuries and if he'd have got his mouth around her neck I have no doubt that the same bite would have killed her. The dog was taken to the vets and examined before being destroyed and the vet was of the opinion that the rampage was caused by undiagnosed epilepsy, no symptoms of which were visible up to that point. oh medusa, oh oh oh - you're resorting to diversionary tactics - the fact is that certain breeds of dog were bred for power, jaw strength and aggression and unless you've other than on planet earth you know which they are - the question is why 'people' choose those breeds - in my view it's because they are personally/sexually inadequate - discuss. there may have been incidents where a little softy has caused injury, but the danger comes from certain types of dog that were bred for aggressiion and jaw strength - we both know that. remember that a child is severely injured in a hospital somewhere down south and have the dignity to consider your opinions on that basis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBiz Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Still waiting Frank for you to tell us what the 'safe breeds' are, as per your earlier post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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