Cyclone Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 From what I've heard, most of these jobs seem to be in supermarkets. They get paid for each one they take on (£2,000 for a 2 week placement has been mentioned.) plus of course, free labour. Even the majority of the so called Government apprenticeships are in supermarkets, not in the manufacturing and engineering trades as we are led to think. £2000 has certainly been mentioned, but it has not been substantiated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Why do suggestions of applying work-for-benefits systems only ever seem to involve picking litter? Every skill and talent under the sun is available in the pool and they should be used fully. They shouldn't be used to replace any paid for employment, so most of their abilities would be of no use. (Not that there are many unemployed GPs, accountants or developers). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 From what I've heard, most of these jobs seem to be in supermarkets. They get paid for each one they take on (£2,000 for a 2 week placement has been mentioned.) plus of course, free labour. . Can you substantiate this or are you just repeating something you've read on here..? Genuine question..not having a pop.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 What’s wrong with asking someone that is supported by the community to pay something back to the community by doing something that needs doing? There's nothing wrong with that, but you wanted them to only do things that people don't get paid to do like 'picking up dog poo or scraping up chewing gum'. What a waste of talent that would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 It might be a waste of talent (although I'd suggest that most people with any significant talent won't stay unemployed for long enough to end up on such a scheme), but more importantly it ensures that they don't take paid work away from anyone else with the same talent, something that is important in order to not undermine the labour market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmith Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 There's nothing wrong with that, but you wanted them to only do things that people don't get paid to do like 'picking up dog poo or scraping up chewing gum'. What a waste of talent that would be. What Cyclone said, plus making them all do some work for their benefits will prevent the smarter ones from fiddling the system by claiming and working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthedog Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 With regards to the proposal, it's actually pretty reasonable. The proposal is to cap benefits at around the national average salary. Less tax free allowances, this means that around 5 people will be working full time solely to support one household claiming the maximum. How can people seriously support a system which can pay out up to 8 times this (in some instances)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 #205 / #206 Don't be so daft. It's not beyond our wit to place people into positions that benefit the community while keeping their own skills sharp and developing new ones. Why should street sweepers have all your bad luck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmith Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 #205 / #206 Don't be so daft. It's not beyond our wit to place people into positions that benefit the community while keeping their own skills sharp and developing new ones. Why should street sweepers have all your bad luck? No it isn't for instance an unemployed manager could be employed to manage the street cleaners. What would you say the unemployed should do to help the community? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 #205 / #206 Don't be so daft. It's not beyond our wit to place people into positions that benefit the community while keeping their own skills sharp and developing new ones. Why should street sweepers have all your bad luck? For example, what could someone do that requires some kind of talent and wouldn't potentially impact on someone else's paid work? It can't be beyond your wit to explain... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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